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vern humphrey:
That’s not an answer. Some politicians (in South Africa) think AIDS is a nutritional defficiency, too. That doesn’t make it so.
I was referring to politicians in the United States, not South Africa which is a Third World nation I believe.
 
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tuopaolo:
I was referring to politicians in the United States, not South Africa which is a Third World nation I believe.
Just because “some politicians” think something - - no matter where they come from, that doesn’t make it true.

And while I have heard people claim that somehow evolution is to blame for all sorts of things, not one has been able to explain the linkage.
 
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tuopaolo:
Some politicians have made the connection between evolution and some social ills.
Oh please… Even if that were true, which I find very hard to believe, does that mean we should ignore the truth?
 
One of the numerous politicians who have linked evolution with social ills is Tom DeLay:

Columbine shooting spurs attack on evolution. The tragedy at Columbine High School leads to a general outcry that teenagers in America have lost their moral bearings. In Congress, conservative Republican Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas links this moral decline specifically to the teaching of evolution: “Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized out of some primordial soup.” DeLay’s accusation, while outrageous to many, expresses a common fear anti-evolutionists have voiced for two centuries.

pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/religion/revolution/1990.html
(note the website incorrectly states that the pope “endorses” evolution)
 
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tuopaolo:
One of the numerous politicians who have linked evolution with social ills is Tom DeLay:

Columbine shooting spurs attack on evolution. The tragedy at Columbine High School leads to a general outcry that teenagers in America have lost their moral bearings. In Congress, conservative Republican Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas links this moral decline specifically to the teaching of evolution: “Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized out of some primordial soup.” DeLay’s accusation, while outrageous to many, expresses a common fear anti-evolutionists have voiced for two centuries.

pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/religion/revolution/1990.html
(note the website incorrectly states that the pope “endorses” evolution)
So what? That doesn’t explain the supposed linkage between evolution and Columbine, or anything else.
 
vern humphrey:
So what? That doesn’t explain the supposed linkage between evolution and Columbine, or anything else.
It’s about, among other things, the dignity of the human person. Secular evolution ideology denies the dignity of the human person. When schools teach evolution they don’t mention God or the dignity that God gave man. As can be seen by some posts in this thread, evolution ideology does not realize that there is a fundamental difference between man and other animate beings. Only man has an intellect and will. Only man, along with the angels and the Blessed Trinity, is a person. Only man can know and love.
 
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tuopaolo:
It’s about, among other things, the dignity of the human person. Secular evolution ideology denies the dignity of the human person. .
No, it doesn’t. Saying that doesn’t make it true – nor does it move us one step closer to explaining the supposed link between evlution and things like Columbine.
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tuopaolo:
When schools teach evolution they don’t mention God or the dignity that God gave man…
Talk to the ACLU about that – it has nothing to do with evolution.
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tuopaolo:
As can be seen by some posts in this thread, evolution ideology does not realize that there is a fundamental difference between man and other animate beings. .
Which posts? I haven’t seen any that mistake man for a lower animal.

On the other hand, I HAVE seen pro-abortionists try to pretend the unborn child is not human, or not a “person.”

Abortion, not evolution, is the problem.
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tuopaolo:
Only man has an intellect and will. Only man, along with the angels and the Blessed Trinity, is a person. Only man can know and love.
All true – but how does that link evolution with things like Columbine?
 
vern humphrey:
Talk to the ACLU about that – it has nothing to do with evolution.
It does have something to do with evolution since God has no part in the evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory does not include God as part of the theory.
Which posts? I haven’t seen any that mistake man for a lower animal.
See #226 where someone claims that they are able to “love.” I am glad that you, at least, expressed agreement with my statement that only man can know and love.
On the other hand, I HAVE seen pro-abortionists try to pretend the unborn child is not human, or not a “person.”

Abortion, not evolution, is the problem.
How many of those pro-abortionists are creationists versus evolutionists? Evolution is related to abortion also since evolutionists make claims regarding supposed similarities and relationships between the human embryo/fetus and the embryo/fetus of animals like frogs, etc. That’s what they teach in schools.
 
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tuopaolo:
It does have something to do with evolution since God has no part in the evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory does not include God as part of the theory…
Saying it doesn’t make it so. Let me point out that arithmetic and chemistry do not include God as part of their theories – are you going to blame them for the breakdown of society?
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tuopaolo:
See #226 where someone claims that they are able to “love.” I am glad that you, at least, expressed agreement with my statement that only man can know and love…
And THAT is your proof – someone on this echo said something you don’t agree with.
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tuopaolo:
How many of those pro-abortionists are creationists versus evolutionists?
You got me by the sneakers.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif

But you show no link between evolution and abortion – what you claim is that some people with one propensity tend to lean one way, others with a different propensity lean the other.
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tuopaolo:
Evolution is related to abortion also since evolutionists make claims regarding supposed similarities and relationships between the human embryo/fetus and the embryo/fetus of animals like frogs, etc. That’s what they teach in schools.
Don’t be silly – those same claims could be made if Darwin had never been born. They have nothing to do with evolution.
 
See #226 where someone claims that they are able to “love.” I am glad that you, at least, expressed agreement with my statement that only man can know and love.
I’m not aware of any official Catholic teaching that says animals are incapable of a lesser love, in the sense of affection. I’m not speaking of love in the sense of the divine virtue, or the kind that only an intellect can produce. I apologize if I wasn’t clear enough.

Animals do learn, and animals do display affection. This doesn’t in any way blur the line between an animal soul and a human soul anymore than the fact that we love and reason blurs the line between our souls and the Divine Nature.
 
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Ghosty:
I’m not aware of any official Catholic teaching that says animals are incapable of a lesser love, in the sense of affection. I’m not speaking of love in the sense of the divine virtue, or the kind that only an intellect can produce. I apologize if I wasn’t clear enough.

Animals do learn, and animals do display affection. This doesn’t in any way blur the line between an animal soul and a human soul anymore than the fact that we love and reason blurs the line between our souls and the Divine Nature.
How about this? Rejection of evolution causes all the social ills. It works like this – someone convinces you that you HAVE to belive in the LITERAL story of Creation and reject evolution because to do otherwise would mean religion is wrong and God doesn’t exist.

Then one day you learn how strong the evidence is, and suddenly your faith is gone – because they convinced you to build on a foundation of sand.
 
Then one day you learn how strong the evidence is, and suddenly your faith is gone – because they convinced you to build on a foundation of sand.
This is precisely my fear. I’ve seen many people who’s faith is not deeply rooted enough, who are easily shaken, and they have almost always been literalist creationists. On the flip side, my faith is so ridiculously sound that I stare straight in the face of the most atheistic scientific arguments and see God. It’s gotten to the point that I chuckle when I hear an atheist try and use science to disprove God.

Now I don’t believe that science can “prove” God any more than it can “disprove” God in the scientific sense, but I’ve been pleasantly suprised with how almost every scientific development has strengthened my faith. Knowledge has a symbiotic relationship with deep faith, IMO, and the way they feed off of eachother is often lost on those who are frightened by science.
 
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Ghosty:
This is precisely my fear. I’ve seen many people who’s faith is not deeply rooted enough, who are easily shaken, and they have almost always been literalist creationists. On the flip side, my faith is so ridiculously sound that I stare straight in the face of the most atheistic scientific arguments and see God. It’s gotten to the point that I chuckle when I hear an atheist try and use science to disprove God…
Agreed – those people most likely to lose their faith are those who have to have absolute certainty – which is what the Creation Scientists and similar beliefs must have. They cannot accept that God can work in ways they do not understand.

As for “proving scientifically” that God doesn’t exist, bring it on – we can eat those guys for breakfast.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
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Ghosty:
Now I don’t believe that science can “prove” God any more than it can “disprove” God in the scientific sense, but I’ve been pleasantly suprised with how almost every scientific development has strengthened my faith. Knowledge has a symbiotic relationship with deep faith, IMO, and the way they feed off of eachother is often lost on those who are frightened by science.
Science is not competent to deal with God and recognizes that limitation. Yet, as you say, nothing strengthens faith more than seeing the intricacy and wonder of God’s creation. And science helps us do that – who could stand unawed at the maganficent pictures from the Hubble telescope, for example?
 
As for “proving scientifically” that God doesn’t exist, bring it on – we can eat those guys for breakfast.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
As we have many times in the past. Hence my frustration at faithful people’s apprehension of us.
And science helps us do that – who could stand unawed at the maganficent pictures from the Hubble telescope, for example?
Absolutely. Furthermore, there’s simply no “rational” reason why we should find such things awe-inspiring and beautiful, but we do. I think that says something about God’s intention for us to find the beauty in His work through science. God knew we’d develop a way to view into the past with Hubble, and set up those images billions of years ago for us to be inspired today. It’s a kind of Gospel written in the stars, IMO.
 
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Ghosty:
As we have many times in the past. Hence my frustration at faithful people’s apprehension of us…
I think there are two problems – first of all those who reject evoluiton because of religious reasons are not very sure of themselves. Deep down, they fear something. Secondly, they aren’t very well educated in science. So they are afraid of the unknown.
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Ghosty:
Absolutely. Furthermore, there’s simply no “rational” reason why we should find such things awe-inspiring and beautiful, but we do. I think that says something about God’s intention for us to find the beauty in His work through science. God knew we’d develop a way to view into the past with Hubble, and set up those images billions of years ago for us to be inspired today. It’s a kind of Gospel written in the stars, IMO.
You’re right. A dog sees a beautiful sunset, or a prefect, tiny flower – and simply ignores them. Only man can truly feel the beauty and grandeur of God’s work.
 
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tuopaolo:
Some politicians have made the connection between evolution and some social ills.
Some politicians made the connection between race and intelligence. Did that make them right?

Peace

Tim
 
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Orogeny:
Some politicians made the connection between race and intelligence. Did that make them right?

Peace

Tim
You should read the book The Bell Curve.
 
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tuopaolo:
You should read the book The Bell Curve.
Go back and re-read it, along with scholarly (not politically-correct) reviews of the book.

One issue is that the descrepancy in IQ between different ethnic groups occurs in many places where it is not associated with race, but with political and social opression. A good example is Northern Ireland, where there is a similar IQ discrepancy between Catholics and Protestants. Oddly enough, a Northern Ireland Catholic will have (on average) an IQ 15 points lower than a Protestant cousin, OR a Catholic cousin living across the border in the Irish Republic.

But what has this to do with evolution?
 
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