SCOTUS allows border wall to continue

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OK, but must Trump say that undocumenteds (who have a LOWER crime rate than legal residents) coming to the US are criminals and rapists?
I am not so concerned with what he says. I am very concerned with what he does. As for the allegedly lower crime rate among illegals, about 30% of federal prisoners are illegals, so that’s a problem. Nor did he suggest that all illegals were criminals,and rapists but it is undeniable that some of them are, and that’s a problem.
Once again, his fear-mongering was of recent vintage and did nothing to solve the problem.
Building the wall is one way to solve the problem.
 
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“If we stop counting crimes illegal aliens commit, they commit fewer crimes.” Who are you fooling besides yourself?
That’s kind of a status crime, isn’t it? The point is that illegal entrants are more law-abiding than legal citizens.
 
Building the wall is one way to solve the problem.
But, if you take away his fear-mongering then the problem is really different. There is a problem as to how CA growers are going to have pickers, etc. Those illegal entrants have found a place in our economy, haven’t they?
 
That’s kind of a status crime, isn’t it?
No, it’s a “They broke the law regarding entry to this country, therefore they are criminals” kind of crime.
The point is that illegal entrants are more law-abiding than legal citizens.
Get out of here with that anti-American propaganda. Illegal entry into the country is a misdemeanor. There are millions of Americans in this country with clean records, and you slander them for the sake of your politics. That is vile.
 
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I will cite your words.
Now, if you leave out violating laws regarding immigration:
Every illegal alien has committed at least one misdemeanor.

Every crime committed by an illegal against a citizen would be prevented if they were not here. That would require deportation and border controls however.
 
OK, cite studies to the contrary.
We can start by acknowledging that no one really knows, so the claim that illegals commit less crime than citizens is unsubstantiated. There are studies, like the one from the CATO Institute that claim lower rates, and other studies such as this one that claim the opposite.

It is also worth noting that about half the violent crimes are not even reported (Bureau of Justice Statistics). It is also true that about half of the illegals are working on the book jobs, but they obtained those jobs illegally. These, too, are crimes. The numbers for illegals are further reduced if the person is deported before trial.

The claim that illegals commit fewer crimes than citizens is an I-choose-to-believe-this opinion, not a demonstrable fact.
 
A couple other routine crimes illegal immigrants commit is driving without a license and driving without insurance. Living in a very rural area with a large immigrant population this is a big problem here. They don’t know the rules of the road, they can’t read in English, maybe not even in Spanish, so they don’t know what the signs say except maybe the stop sign. This has been the cause of many accidents, some very serious, in my area. There is no recourse because how do you hold an illegal immigrant accountable for financial restitution?
 
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I don’t really care why Trump is addressing it; I only care that he is in fact doing something to resolve it.
OK, but must Trump say that undocumenteds (who have a LOWER crime rate than legal residents) coming to the US are criminals and rapists? Must he slur a judge by saying his ruling was racially biased because the judge is of a racial minority? That’s just pandering a demagoguery. It does nothing to resolve any problem.
What do the Bishops have to say about this wall and welcoming the stranger as we are commanded in the Gospel.

Or is that just “prudential judgement”.
 
The claim that illegals commit fewer crimes than citizens is an I-choose-to-believe-this opinion, not a demonstrable fact.
No, I think a person’s politics makes him or her ignore facts, I do.
 
For instance, you ignored all the crimes related to jumping the border.
 
I don’t really care why Trump is addressing it; I only care that he is in fact doing something to resolve it.
If I recall, didn’t Schumer offer Trump $8 billion for the Wall? So Trump ends up going to court to get $2.5 billion? And got turned down for the Dreamers besides? Some businessman.
 
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For instance, you ignored all the crimes related to jumping the border.
I certainly did. The discussion concerns activities of residents of the US. It appears that the illegal residents commit fewer crimes than the legal residents. Thus is killed some conservative talking points.
 
Only if the crimes they commit are ignored, which is par for the course for the American left and their fetish for foreigners.
 
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Only if the crimes they commit are ignored, which is par for the course for the American left and their fetish for foreigners.
First of all, anti-immigrant animus in America is closely related to bias against Catholics.

Secondly, the whole issue is about crimes that the undocumented commit in the US. Their crime rate is lower than legal residents. Just accept that fact.

Time to move on.
 
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There is absolutely no evidence to support that vicious, anti-American lie. Crossing the border is a crime committed in the US and is tied into quite a few other crimes.

Go peddle your myth about how the Democrat party’s intended replacements are so much better than actual Americans elsewhere. If the foreigners are so much more docile than us, why are their countries so crime-ridden and corrupt that they have no choice but to flee here?
 
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If the foreigners are so much more docile than us, why are their countries so crime-ridden and corrupt that they have no choice but to flee here?
Maybe the docile ones are leaving, huh?

You ignore statistics which you slander as a ‘myth’. That does not get us any further along as a nation.
 
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