Scratch an atheist and you will find a skeptic!

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And I find it disingenuous that an atheist objects to “some things in the Bible really happened, like the resurrection, and some things in the Bible are allegory, like a talking snake” with the question: how can you tell when it’s allegory vs actual?

I answer with: if your 7th grader brings home 2 books from his high school library–one that is about the lunar landing and one that about Hogwarts, do you really think that he’s really going to be all “Shoot! I got these both from the very same library, and now I can’t tell if we really landed on the moon, or if Hogwarts is just a fictional place because, gosh, it certainly can’t be true that one of them is an actual event and the other one is just plain fiction, right?”

Right?

Is the point that we Christian are too dumb to discern that some things are actual events but some things are allegory? They have to be ALL actual or ALL allegory?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/8abbda2dd18a6cb40b249dc4f042a79f/tumblr_inline_nuwpubCwGV1r79k32_500.gif

That fundamentalist EITHER/OR rears its ugly head yet again.
They forget the Hebrews were a primitive tribe who believed in animal sacrifice and “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”. It is astonishing how they became monotheists in the midst of polytheism, had the remarkable insight that God is “I am who am” and predicted the coming of the Messiah in great detail. Even the Greeks and Romans were barbaric in comparison with the teaching of Jesus…
 
I like it! Actually, I think atheists are people who are mad at God. Most atheists believe in God and they are mad at him because He demands responsibility from his adult children. That’s what free choice is all about. You can’t have freedom without responsibility. Otherwise the State will have to take care of you.
Not sure about being mad at God.

The rhetoric used by radical atheists suggests at least an animosity toward belief in God, and certainly they are mad at religion.
 
Tell you what - you handle the fanatical atheists and we’ll handle the fanatically religious.😃
Not sure about being mad at God.

The rhetoric used by radical atheists suggests at least an animosity toward belief in God, and certainly they are mad at religion.
Based upon this example you would not handle them very well.

Someone, who suggests that “Actually, I think atheists are people who are mad at God. Most atheists believe in God and they are mad at him because He demands responsibility from his adult children.” deserves the highest level of disdain, ridicule and ostracism, not just a mild “I am note sure about…”. I would be very much ashamed if an atheist would display such a high level of irrationality, and would want to disassociate myself from such people. Your mile may vary. 🙂 But, as the old saying goes, “if you sleep with dogs, you will get fleas.” 😉
 
Based upon this example you would not handle them very well.
I was responding to a Catholic, not a radical atheist. Thus, you don’t know whether I would handle a radical atheist well or not.

That said, I don’t know many people who can handle people who are fanatical about anything well.
Someone, who suggests that “Actually, I think atheists are people who are mad at God. Most atheists believe in God and they are mad at him because He demands responsibility from his adult children.” deserves the highest level of disdain, ridicule and ostracism, not just a mild “I am note sure about…”.
I’ve never found disdain, ridicule and ostracism to be very effective in terms of persuasiveness. Doesn’t take a great deal of skill - does it?

If you just want to put an individual down it can be effective.
I would be very much ashamed if an atheist would display such a high level of irrationality, and would want to disassociate myself from such people. Your mile may vary. 🙂 But, as the old saying goes, “if you sleep with dogs, you will get fleas.” 😉
Really?

You’ve just said another poster deserves the highest level of disdain, ridicule and ostracism, and express discontent with my ‘I’m not sure about response.’ I would categorize that as pretty radical position.

It’s not that my mile varies, it’s that I don’t always have the luxury of being able to dissociate myself from anyone who displays a high level of irrationality.

‘If you sleep with dogs you get fleas’ smacks a bit of ‘blame the victim’ syndrome to me.
 
Most atheists didn’t start out as atheists, and the ones that were “born atheists” don’t have the kind of venomous attitude towards theists as the ones who were once Christians and suddenly had a falling out with God, because God didn’t do things according to their plans.
 
It’s not that my mile varies, it’s that I don’t always have the luxury of being able to dissociate myself from anyone who displays a high level of irrationality.
On an internet discussion board?
‘If you sleep with dogs you get fleas’ smacks a bit of ‘blame the victim’ syndrome to me.
No one forces you to “sleep with dogs”. 🙂
 
Most atheists didn’t start out as atheists, and the ones that were “born atheists” don’t have the kind of venomous attitude towards theists as the ones who were once Christians and suddenly had a falling out with God, because God didn’t do things according to their plans.
What?!:eek::confused:
 
Yeah, you will encounter similar perspectives from time to time. People of the church that I grew up in expressed similar sentiments; that no one that heard about Jesus and God were not unconvinced of their existence. Rather there were motivations for pretending like they were unconvinced. Some of the reasons presented included being a willing agent of Satan or being angry with God.

A view that I encounter in this forum is that atheist are projecting anger from bad or absent father onto God. Stick around, you’ll encounter many other theories of mind.
 
Most atheists didn’t start out as atheists, and the ones that were “born atheists” don’t have the kind of venomous attitude towards theists as the ones who were once Christians and suddenly had a falling out with God, because God didn’t do things according to their plans.
Good greif…again.

Everybody starts out as atheist. Nobody is born believing in any god whatsoever. Depending on where (and when) you are born determines which god you will be taught about.

As you are a child when you are taught about these things, you will believe them. It’s an inbuilt characteristic of children to believe what an adult tells them. It’s an evolutionary trait (people who didn’t listen generally didn’t survive that long).

You either continue with this belief into adulthood or you consider the evidence to be insufficient to maintain it.

If you believe in God and have ‘a falling out’ with him, then I’m not sure how you would describe yourself, but ‘atheist’ wouldn’t be it. ‘Angry Christian’ perhaps. In all my years discussing Christianity, I’ve never met one. Not a single one. SoI have no idea who these people are about whom you are talking.

It might be helpful if you took a sheet of paper and stuck it to the wall above your PC or iPad or whatever it you are reading this on, and on the sheet write in large, fat capital letters: ATHEISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD.
 
Good greif…again.

Everybody starts out as atheist. Nobody is born believing in any god whatsoever.
Well, this is a really…er…fundamentalist definition of atheist.

You seem to be claiming that atheism is something that doesn’t have a belief in God.

And that would make rocks, dogs, a paramecium, and broccoli atheists, too.

Not sure you want to share the stage with that group.

#justsaying
Depending on where (and when) you are born determines which god you will be taught about.
And then you make your choice when you are ready, and…confirm your belief.
 
Good greif…again.

Everybody starts out as atheist. Nobody is born believing in any god whatsoever. Depending on where (and when) you are born determines which god you will be taught about.

As you are a child when you are taught about these things, you will believe them. It’s an inbuilt characteristic of children to believe what an adult tells them. It’s an evolutionary trait (people who didn’t listen generally didn’t survive that long).

You either continue with this belief into adulthood or you consider the evidence to be insufficient to maintain it.

If you believe in God and have ‘a falling out’ with him, then I’m not sure how you would describe yourself, but ‘atheist’ wouldn’t be it. ‘Angry Christian’ perhaps. In all my years discussing Christianity, I’ve never met one. Not a single one. SoI have no idea who these people are about whom you are talking.

It might be helpful if you took a sheet of paper and stuck it to the wall above your PC or iPad or whatever it you are reading this on, and on the sheet write in large, fat capital letters: ATHEISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD.
I disagree. Children are more aware of God than adults. They seem to know where they came from and aware of angelic influences. Or was your daughter never magical and spiritual to you when she was young? (If not, ask her mother.) People are taught NOT to believe in God, or taught bad religious teachings that make them not want to believe in God.

Good grief, Charlie Brown!
 
You seem to be claiming that atheism is something that doesn’t have a belief in God.

And that would make rocks, dogs, a paramecium, and broccoli atheists, too.

Not sure you want to share the stage with that group.

#justsaying
The “-ist” suffice used on words that would otherwise end in “-ism” (for nouns) or “-ize” (for verbs) denotes a person that adheres to a practice, holds certain principals, doctrine, or concern. With that knowledge in mind it doesn’t appear that he is making a claim about claiming a thing, but a person.
 
The “-ist” suffice used on words that would otherwise end in “-ism” (for nouns) or “-ize” (for verbs) denotes a person that adheres to a practice, holds certain principals, doctrine, or concern. With that knowledge in mind it doesn’t appear that he is making a claim about claiming a thing, but a person.
I’m quite sure if I do a google search right now I will be able to find an “ist” attached to a dog or similar animal who has embraced an particular enthusiasm for a particular "ism’.

Stand by…

(After dinner will start the search, unless you concede :))
 
The “-ist” suffice used on words that would otherwise end in “-ism” (for nouns) or “-ize” (for verbs) denotes a person that adheres to a practice, holds certain principals, doctrine, or concern. With that knowledge in mind it doesn’t appear that he is making a claim about claiming a thing, but a person.
Incidentally, this seems to refute Bradski’s assertion that babies are atheists…as babies do not adhere “to a practice” or hold “certain principals (sic), doctrine or concern”.

Right?
 
I’m quite sure if I do a google search right now I will be able to find an “ist” attached to a dog or similar animal who has embraced an particular enthusiasm for a particular "ism’.

Stand by…

(After dinner will start the search, unless you concede :))
Bam!

“This gorgeous Italian dog is an enthusiast…”

tampa-fl.americanlisted.com/33602/pets-animals/9-month-old-cane-corso_29089223.html

“Sexist dog”
ask.metafilter.com/264811/Sexist-dog-Protective-dog-Traumatized-dog

“Racist dog”
(no source as they tend to be offensive. You can, of course, google it yourself)
 
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