For quite some time now you have paraded a certain word within your posts that for you should stick out like a sore thumb. A word whose history, etomology, and origin are all only found outside the bounds of Scripture. It’s a word (in more than one form) that the Catholic Church is guilty of contamiating the Scriptures with. Can you guess what that word(s) is?
Why would that be a problem?
I agree with you, Sin is Ugly! By the way, I do appreciate you being so candid and honest about yours. In reviewing the list of sins that you deal with, I think you should be aware that all of those sins are independent of sexual orientation. Wheter you are gay or straight, all Christians battle with similar temptations. The issue is when “Christians”, try to use their sins as a comparison to someone who is gay and who is erroneously instructed to be celebate and single for life. Gay or straight all Christians must fight against fornication, adultry, covetousness, pornograghy, and the like. And because of “Christains” misusing such scriptures as Gen, 19:5; 1Cor. 6:9, Romans 1:26-27 and others, the heated debate regarding the Truth about “scripture and homosexuality” is one that I and others who value Truth are willing to engage in.
Your 1966 Jerusalem Bible commentary (as yet unprovided) is a very recent commentary. While you want to assert a vast conspiracy of misinterpretation and misuse of Biblical texts for almost 2,000 years, until the publishing of the Jerusalem Bible, it is clear that the only rewriting going on is by the 21st century homosexual activists who have an “agenda”.
Oh I speak about my own personal sin all the time - to my priest, to my God and to those who I wrong by my sin. My sin is not really your business or the business of casual readers on this forum, so I don’t need to discuss it here.
Misusing? Give me ANY evidence that ANY early-to-Renaissance Christian authorities whatsoever, EVER claimed that ANY homosexual act was OK in any circumstances.
why dont you also ask for any evidence early resaissance, church council, an apocryphal gospel, that ethnic slavery was an intolerable evil?
Thank you for the compliment of my catholic orthodoxy, i would love to hear the answer. I cannot begin to imagine what word(s) they might be.
my most anointed teacher, the teacher that opened the bible to me in the most incredible way, was thru his teaching of the old testament. part of that teaching was showing me how christ and his spirit was referred to constantly, throughout it. and how there was a continuation of spirit that ran thru both testaments.
jesus said that we would know what was of him by their fruit.Oh I speak about my own personal sin all the time - to my priest, to my God and to those who I wrong by my sin. My sin is not really your business or the business of casual readers on this forum, so I don’t need to discuss it here.
But for your benefit I will, at least a little. I’ve been guilty of plenty of sexual sins - albeit not homosexuality. If I were determined to pervert the words of scripture to my own ends, as you are, I could argue that what I had done was not sinful.
But being HONEST instead, I could easily see that I had contravened the spirit and truth, if not the letter, of God’s commands, by making an idol of my own warped idea of love which was at odds with God’s idea. And thus cut myself off from Him. So I repented and have determined to sin no more, and for a long time have been successful (thanks to God’s grace).
Those who commit homosexual acts are given over to a sinful spirit - not necessarily the same thing as a spirit of lust, but of course lust isn’t the only sin in the world. Certainly a sinful spirit nonetheless, which leads them to misuse their sexual faculties in a manner of which God does not approve, as I was led to too.
Since when does slavery have anything at all to do with sexuality? Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Start another thread if you’re interested.
Yes Misusing! And the fact that Church history is flooded with documents and manuscripts that go beyond the call of Sacred Scripture, and in some cases even divert from it will serve as proof to my claims. For example, there’s a reason many “Christians” equate the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah with homosexuality. And it’s certainly not because of Scripture! And deny as you might, history has done a marvelous job perserving the debris that has been left admist the wake of such scribal manipulation. And the more resources, you and others provide to show the teachings of “early Church Fathers”, and the early church; the more you make my point! And presently, you and others seem yet to have realized that!
There’s plenty within scripture apart from the episode of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah y’know. No-one here has mentioned them, you’ll notice. It’s because we’re ALL well aware of the debate around that particular episode, not being as blind or uneducated as you’d seem to think.
I’m talking about sources OUTSIDE the Church - which is why I said Christian and not Catholic. There were plenty of other Christian sects around, y’know. None of 'em taught that homosex was OK even though they were well outside the bounds of Church authority and not restricted by Church interpretation of scripture. They certainly made up lots of other crazy stuff (flesh is evil, Jesus wasn’t God, Jesus wasn’t Man) yet none of 'em touched the issue of homosex - THEY knew it was wrong even if you don’t.
Despite your cynicism, the offense my remarks presume upon you is nothing short of true. By comparison the massive offense your “catholic orthodoxy”, is guilty of towards the issue of homosexuality, is nothing short of disasterous and unscriptual. It’s a disservice whose scars against a particular segment of humanity run deep and evident. So at the very least, don’t even joke about being offended!
Please enlighten me. From a Catholic’s perspective, such as yourself, I presume, tell me what manuscripts outside of Scripture does the Catholic church recognize as being Christian prior to St. Peter?
Why did you ignore the question I asked in this post? Also, I must again ask what makes your “most anointed teacher” so much more enlightened then the rest of the teachers, theologians, etc. in the Christian communities throughout history.