scripture and homosexuality

[LilyM]

you are saying that you have no source for your understanding of a single scripture.

my understanding about scripture, since all verses point to the same spirit they are all intersupporting. one does not contradict another.

how do the scriptures that i listed support your understanding?

But your passages DO contradict, on your interpretation, those Gospel passages where Christ bids us obey the ten commandments for one. So on your interpretation they support nothing really, and are not in harmony with the Gospels, and your interpretation is therefore necessarily wrong.

They only make sense, and only harmonise with the Gospels, in light of HIS attitude (which was that He did NOT come to abolish the LAW) if we take Paul to be referring to those aspects of OT law such as dietary rules, which Christ DID explicitly do away with, and NOT the whole of the Jewish law.

I mean you still hold yourself bound by the ten commandments, do you not? Even though you advocate adultery which is directly against them in advocating gay sexual relationships, of course. Go figure.

 

[feetxxxl]

check out this website perhaps it will help you.

jesus-is-savior.com/

if you are secure in your understanding why are you unable to answer my question?

 

[wisdomseeker]

if you are secure in your understanding why are you unable to answer my question?

the website did not help you either?

:bowdown:

 

[LilyM]

But your passages DO contradict, on your interpretation, those Gospel passages where Christ bids us obey the ten commandments for one thing. Your interpretation also contradicts the Gospel passage where Christ makes clear that He did NOT come to abolish the law. So on your interpretation they support nothing really, and are not in harmony with the Gospels, and your interpretation is therefore necessarily wrong.

The passages you’ve quoted only make sense, and only harmonise with the Gospels, if we take Paul to be referring to those aspects of OT law such as dietary rules, which Christ DID explicitly do away with, and NOT the whole of the Jewish law.

I mean you still hold yourself bound by the ten commandments, do you not? Even though you advocate adultery which is directly against them in advocating gay sexual relationships, of course. Go figure.

 

[revelations]

AGAIN… what is your SOURCE for your understanding, aside from christ’s statement to peter, that would expand on your understanding of the meaning of that statement.

Ahem…that would be the catholic teaching. The church Jesus started became the Catholic church and remained so for a good 1500 years before anyone felt they could do better than God himself.

If you have problems with the Catholic Church, you have problems with Jesus Christ himself. Take history into account. Read the bible with a historical-critical standpoint.

Again, Feetxxl is completely lost and unwilling to consider the historical background, which when weighed in light of the truth is irrefutable. All i can say is:

:banghead:

We all must pray

 

[feetxxxl]

LilyM:
which one of the ten commandmentrs are not covered by the three commandments of love?

fulfillment of the law is love…love that is god…the same love that he first loved us with, that we return to him, to ourselves and our neighbor.

 

[feetxxxl]

Ahem…that would be the catholic teaching. The church Jesus started became the Catholic church and remained so for a good 1500 years before anyone felt they could do better than God himself.

If you have problems with the Catholic Church, you have problems with Jesus Christ himself. Take history into account. Read the bible with a historical-critical standpoint.

Again, Feetxxl is completely lost and unwilling to consider the historical background, which when weighed in light of the truth is irrefutable. All i can say is:

:banghead:

We all must pray

if their are other teachings please annotate by reproducing the exact wording those teachings are written, the date and the name of the author.

 

[feetxxxl]

the website did not help you either?

:bowdown:

AGAIN…if you are secure in your understanding why are you unable to answer my question?

 

[LilyM]

which one of the ten commandmentrs are not covered by the three commandments of love?

fulfillment of the law is love…love that is god…the same love that he first loved us with, that we return to him, to ourselves and our neighbor.

You have it totally wrong. Love is not God. God is love, but love is not God. There is an important difference between the two statements and they do not both mean the same thing.

Love is an abstract concept and a human emotion, it is not equivalent to the deity. If Love were God then absolutely NO form of love whatsoever, sexual or otherwise, lustful or not, would ever be out of bounds - not incest, not bestiality, nothing. Clearly it isn’t.

 

[Greg27]

I think the Bible declares pretty clearly that homosexual acts are morally wrong, but the theological context in which these contexts are made is fairly complex. I think one can argue from the Bible that the Bible does say homosexual sex acts are wrong, but it is not explicit that a homosexual orientation involves moral guilt (though many theologians argue that both a homosexual orientation and homosexual acts are both perversions which incur moral guilt in the eyes of God). Whether we can argue this behaviour is a perversion on purely philosophical or psychological grounds is more difficult.

 

[brendankiwi]

I agree exactly… a man’s weaknesses doesn’t seperate him from God but sin does

 

[wisdomseeker]

AGAIN…if you are secure in your understanding why are you unable to answer my question?

Since you have missed my point, i’ll tell you.
you quoted passages from the Bible which you dont understand what it means.

the Church is trinitarium try to grasp this One. the Word of God, Magisterium and Oral Tradition. no one was given the right to separate them. No one can understand the Word without the others.

the website i showed you should have given your a clue what can happen when one put their hands on the Word of God. they also quoted SS to support their claims. you see how easy it is for someone to quote Bible verses to support what they want to believe.

if you fail to see that homossexuality is a sin before God. what makes you think you can understand the other things He says?

The Church is a mistery of God. as long as you fail to see her there is no point in discussing Bible verses with you.

Peace.

:bowdown: :byzsoc:

 

[feetxxxl]

Since you have missed my point, i’ll tell you.
you quoted passages from the Bible which you dont understand what it means.

the Church is trinitarium try to grasp this One. the Word of God, Magisterium and Oral Tradition. no one was given the right to separate them. No one can understand the Word without the others.

the website i showed you should have given your a clue what can happen when one put their hands on the Word of God. they also quoted SS to support their claims. you see how easy it is for someone to quote Bible verses to support what they want to believe.

if you fail to see that homossexuality is a sin before God. what makes you think you can understand the other things He says?

The Church is a mistery of God. as long as you fail to see her there is no point in discussing Bible verses with you.

Peace.

:bowdown: :byzsoc:

surely …romans "being reesurrected in christ "…the gospel of 1john… saved by grace thru faith …the judgement…the conclusion of revelations…has no application .to the traditions of the church and the magisterium.

 

[mangy_dog]

what is your explanation for sexual immorality. what is your test. how does it come against loving ones neighbor as oneself( the summation of all the law)( romans). how does it come against the fruit of the spirit, which of itself is spirit …fruit creating spirit being of god’s essence and god’s spirit.

The activity of homosexuality is wrong and yes evil. You insist on twisting this simple premise in defense of the in-defensible.

No amount of mis-guided logic is going to change the fact that homosexual activity is of the devil.

No amount of “sugar-coating” homosexual activity as something “good” - will ever make it such.

A policeman denounces; a judge, judges. I (as other catholics) are called to denounce not judge.

Homosexual activity is a denounceable evil. God will judge the outcome of a person’s life of active homosexuality.

Rant all you want and mis-quote scripture all you want in defense of active homosexuality…it will not, ever change the denounceable evil.

Regina coeli, ora pro nobis.

 

[Michael_Neal]

feetxxxl has a point I don’t recall reading that “homosexuality is a sin” in the Bible. “murder is a sin” “lying is a sin” and many other things are not put in that particular phrase. Its amazing the lengths people will go to to justify their unwillingness to try to live by God’s commandments.

have you conveniently ignored all of the bible quotes that were just listed?

the bible is clear in many places about this issue, some people here are just trying to rewrite the bible to their own liking by trying to insert their own self serving interpretations

Only the Church has the authority to interpret the bible, and they have spoken quite clearly on this issue.

 

[mangy_dog]

have you conveniently ignored all of the bible quotes that were just listed?

Yes he (she?) has.

Because all he wants to hear is that homosexuality is good and correct and wonderful and meaningful and God’s plan for humanity and a socially evolving truth sanctioned by scripture. That religion has been wrong for over 2000 years and that the new-age of homosexuality is dawning.

He wants to convince everyone here that God’s plan is not only for man and woman to be as one…but also for man and man and woman and woman to be as one. To love and to honor all the day of their lives 'till death do them part.

That the bible is chok full of passages in defense of homosexuality.

That we should all throw our hands up and say, " oh of course, you are right! How could we have been so blind?"

 

[feetxxxl]

if you both are secure in your position then please explain how homosexuality comes against loving ones neighbor as oneself, which in romans, paul says is the summation of all the law.

read also my opening statement on page 1 and message # 503 page 34

 

[mangy_dog]

if you both are secure in your position then please explain how homosexuality comes against loving ones neighbor as oneself, which in romans, paul says is the summation of all the law.

read also my opening statement on page 1 and message # 503 page 34

Active homosexuality is an aberration of neighborly love. I love my friend, it does not follow that I should have homosexual relations with him.

 

[feetxxxl]

Active homosexuality is an aberration of neighborly love. I love my friend, it does not follow that I should have homosexual relations with him.

homosexuals bond out of the same spirit as heterosexuals…mutual love,resapect, devotion,trust,and attraction for shared committed life together.

where is the aberration?

AGAIN: how does it come against loving…

if you cannot explain, could that mean it doesnt?

paul says the things of the sin nature are obvious. by their very nature, show that they come against the spirit…murder, theft,division.

by pauls reasoning. if there is not obvious indication about homosexuality, then homosexuality is not of the sin nature. if it is not of the sin nature it does not come against loving ones neighbor…if it does not come against loving ones neighbor …it is not a sin.

 

[mangy_dog]

homosexuals bond out of the same spirit as heterosexuals…mutual love,resapect, devotion,trust,and attraction for shared committed life together.

where is the aberration?

AGAIN: how does it come against loving…

if you cannot explain, could that mean it doesnt?

paul says the things of the sin nature are obvious. by their very nature, show that they come against the spirit…murder, theft,division.

by pauls reasoning. if there is not obvious indication about homosexuality, then homosexuality is not of the sin nature. if it is not of the sin nature it does not come against loving ones neighbor…if it does not come against loving ones neighbor …it is not a sin.

Wrong premise! homosexuals do not bond out of the same spirit as heterosexuals. You are decieved if you believe that. And further, it is the spirit of Lucifer. That is the aberration.

It comes against love because God is Love. Not like loving a car or loving a favorite song.

Homosexual activity is not of God the Father, not of God the Son and not of God the Holy Spirit.

It is of the devil.