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Catholic version are the RSV or the Douay Rheims, I find them pretty good.
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FaithofAbraham
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Gabriel of 12:
But with 3 days also being 3000 years, there is a further raising of the Temple of New Jerusalem, and he is it.
This is after 1000 years when Satan is bound and there is no deceit from Satan on the earth. This hasn’t happened yet.
That leaves 2000 years to the time of his return. Which after Jesus left, is pretty soon.
This all also corresponds to:
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
God is going to wake us up with the return of Jesus after 2000 years, and after 3000 years, after Judgment, we will live with God in His sight with New Jerusalem and Jesus and God as the Temple of it.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
We’ve already spent 2000 years since Jesus left, so if you are right and 1000 years is unspecified, it isn’t going to affect his return after 2000 years much since we are almost there anyway since there is still that gap of 1000 years – metaphor or not – while Satan is bound that needs to take place.
First we have a prophecy of destroying the Temple and raising it in three days. This is first about his bodily resurrection after three days.
But with 3 days also being 3000 years, there is a further raising of the Temple of New Jerusalem, and he is it.
This is after 1000 years when Satan is bound and there is no deceit from Satan on the earth. This hasn’t happened yet.
That leaves 2000 years to the time of his return. Which after Jesus left, is pretty soon.
This all also corresponds to:
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
God is going to wake us up with the return of Jesus after 2000 years, and after 3000 years, after Judgment, we will live with God in His sight with New Jerusalem and Jesus and God as the Temple of it.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
We’ve already spent 2000 years since Jesus left, so if you are right and 1000 years is unspecified, it isn’t going to affect his return after 2000 years much since we are almost there anyway since there is still that gap of 1000 years – metaphor or not – while Satan is bound that needs to take place.
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Gabriel_of_12
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First century Jesus is born, walks the earth, works signs and miracles. dies and returns A SECOND TIME to first century believers, thus fulfilling what may seem to appear mysterious sacred scriptures. Jesus ascends into heaven.
**Jesus appears a second time **body soul and divinity, when the Catholic Church around the world and sing in one voice, one faith, one baptism one church, "blessed is he, blessed is he, Oh! blessed is he who comes in the name, the name of the Lord. Jesus is made present to Christians in the consecrated host at the liturgy of the Eucharist, just like he promised to be with his church always until the end of the age.
Jesus will appear a SECOND TIME when he comes for his Church Yes thats left behind to recieve in the sky those who are alive, and those who are asleep will rise with him first, “those who are first will be last and those who are last will be first”
Behold God makes his dwelling among men
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TDiGaetano
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drbo.org/
Douay-Rheims Bible
pretty good English Catholic Translation.
As far as the 2nd coming of Christ I believe as Catholics we expect all the Jews to Convert.
But as far as we know Christ could come tomorrow so we must always be prepared.
Living now as a follower of Christ and not a partaker in Sin is what we all should be striving for in preparation for the 2nd coming. We must hold firm to our faith that this could be the last day. Every day until our end or the end of the world we should be prepared for the return of Christ.
But right now we should not only be prepared for the end to happen soon but we should also live every moment with Love. The world is a dark place right now with increasing violence and the slaughter of innocent people. We need to pray to God and ask him to unite us all so that we do not fall subject to the evils of this world.
No man can truly convert a person only the Holy Spirit can. It’s not about who is right or who is wrong, it’s about keeping an open mind and heart to let the truth of the Lord work in all of us and bring us home. We must Love each other and through our Love and compassion for one another and for God we will be united with him and no force of evil will corrupt us as long as we hold firm to the Love that God has given us.
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TDiGaetano
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Jesus has bound Satan… we are in the 1000 year reign of Christ…
In refute you might say but look at all the evil in the world. Just because Satan is bound does not mean his influence over the world is gone does not mean he doesn’t still command his demons to do his dirty work. Most Sin and evil that occurs in the world today is that of Man. Be glad we are not in the times when Satan has full reign over the Earth.
Jesus our God Died for us on the Cross to forgive our sins that we may see how much our God truly loves us. Yet we still sin… why? Why are turning the sacrifice of our Lord in vein. Our Creator gave became man so that he could give his life for us… There is no greater love in the universe then willing to lay one’s life down for another. He didn’t just do this for his friends or those who he was close to but he did this for the entire world for those who didn’t know his name and for those who condemned him to death he died for them, so that they may change their ways and through faith in Jesus Christ we too can be free from Sin and the corruption of the world by truly rejecting Satan and his dominion over the Earth and trusting in Our Lord Jesus Christ to keep us safe.
People will say they can do nothing to be saved, when in fact they can. Not by their own works but by trusting and living in the works of Christ. This means to stop sinning and follow the Lord with all your body, your entire mind, and all your heart.
Jesus has left us with the gift of his Grace the Grace to conquer sin, it is up to each individual if they want to accept this Grace in full or Reject it in Full there is no partials in this sanctifying Grace.
Through his Sacraments we receive the sacramental graces to help us battle the evil and the temptations of sin around us these graces allow us to fully reject sin and to accept the sanctifying Grace of our Lord and Savior.
The First coming was to give us the ability to defeat sin through Faith in Christ. The second Coming will be to defeat death once and for all and all will be judged. Heaven and Earth will be recreated and made as one and The Faithful will resurrect in incorrupt bodies to live with the Lord forever.
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paarsurrey
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Thank you, I will often quote from it for Catholics.
I don’t understand as to why it is not availabe in BibleGateway.com?
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FaithofAbraham
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There’s no evidence to suggest that, Satan is the evil inclination that causes man to sin. Jesus has not returned in the clouds with angels yet to gather the elect.
There has also been no Mark of the Beast and beheadings of those who refuse it, which takes place at a time when Jews are powerful, the Whore of Babylon ruling with a great Gentile power like Rome, the Beast.
These are the times when Satan has power over the earth when faith is weak, where even the Catholic Church has been filled with pedophiles and did little to speak against a Hitler that killed 6 million Jews, where maybe even the majority of Jews are atheists, not to mention still rejecting Jesus. Wars and rumors of wars like the Cold War and the War on Terror.
None of that is over yet to suggest we are in that 1000 year period.
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paarsurrey
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Its not that he is a thief so to speak, its more like a euphemism.
It means that Jesus will come without any prior warning and will come quietly without us knowing. That is why Jesus wants us to be ready at all times, he wants us to be free of sin at all times. We dont know when he is coming, nobody knows.
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I think “euphemism” is alright but it does not cover “they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” naturally that cannot be done quietly, blowing trumpets from the sky which is also heard from East to West is not doing it quitely.
Please bring out something which may be in euphemism accepted officially by the Catholics but covers both the parts understandibly.
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LDNCatholic
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It means that just as a thief will not warn you of his coming, neither will Christ. Once He comes He will come with power and glory. Prior to this there will be no signs or warnings.
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Gabriel_of_12
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Gabriel of 12:
First we have a prophecy of destroying the Temple and raising it in three days. This is first about his bodily resurrection after three days.
I can agree with you on that statement
But with 3 days also being 3000 years, there is a further raising of the Temple of New Jerusalem, and he is it.
Jesus is not going to be raised in 3000 years, Jesus is already risen and ascended into heaven. 3 does not =3000
John 4:20…Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you people say that the place to worship is in Jerusalem. Jesus said to her, Believe me, woman,** the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem…**23. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirirt and truth, and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth.
trusting we agree on Jesus second coming, differing on how and when?
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FaithofAbraham
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Jesus was already resurrected and ascended like it says in the Gospels. But there is a further meaning as in Revelation it says Jesus is the Temple of New Jerusalem. There is no literal building there. So when Jesus said “tear it down and in 3 days I’ll raise it,” he was not only talking about his resurrection after 3 days, but about him being the Temple of New Jerusalem in 3000 years.
trusting we agree on Jesus second coming, differing on how and when?
So if we consider that it has already been almost 2000 years since Jesus left, and Revelation says there is an additional 1000 years after he returns (the time Satan is bound) until Jesus becomes the Temple of New Jerusalem, then that is about 3000 years. Which then stepping back again 1000 years shows us the general era of the Second Coming. Which would be soon.
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TDiGaetano
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**Bold 1: **You just answered it for yourself showing that the Rome is the Whore of Babylon. And the Beheadings well they did happen how do you think early christian Martyrs were killed? Peter may have been crusified upside down but most of the other first Apostles and christians including Paul were beheaded. Eventually through Love and Patience The Church of Jesus Christ took over Rome and Rome and the world began to convert and submit to Christ.
The early Catholic Church held control over Monarchs to keep them in check so they could not mistreat their citizens to much, but the Catholic Church has always favored and wanted the kingdoms to be run by the people for the people. It wasn’t till the reformation that the real blood started to flow because Man decided to go agaist the Church take the church’s land kill its clergy and build up worldly kingdoms, but durning these dark times did the church shivle up or fall apart no its still remained a source of truth and support to all people around the world who seeked the truth that it upholds.
Bold 2: The Catholic Church was one of the only organization during that time that spoke out against Fascism and The Nazi Party… I’m not sure what bigot literature you’ve been reading but the Church helped save around 800,000 Jews from the persecution of the Nazi Party in Europe. Most Europeans and even Americans thought it was ok to kill the Jews. But maybe the Vatican should of yelled louder… but then again the Church doesn’t have a military that could destroy any city… So maybe the Church was wise as to not yell but it did speak out against the wrong doings of the Nazi Party. The church made a deal with Hitler so that the Church could continue worship in Germany, a lot of countries like Germany that had protestant influences to limit interaction with church and state surpressed the Catholic Church and made it near impossible to hold worship services.
Bold 3: As long as Man desires more then what he has in worldly posessions there will always be rumors of War. And throughout History that is what we see. Man wants more Land he wars Man wants more Gold he wars Man wants more servants he Wars Man wants more oil he Wars.
The Catholic Church use to be a safe haven for believers it use to shine to the heavens and all over the world, but now it is covered with a secular smog and the world continues to corrupt itself. The Church carries on as a Light in the Darkness and not adapting worldly ways of corruption into its doctrine.
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Booklover
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Ths cursing of the fig tree is a sign of the judgment that is to come upon the Israel that with all its apparent piety lacks the fruit of good deeds, but no where does Jesus make any prophecy about God’s kingdom going to the Muslims!
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Islam did not exist untill 600 years after Jesus. Jesus had other people in mind : the Kingdom was given to His followers, be it Jews or Gentiles
and denies His crucifixion as well.
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FaithofAbraham
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The Roman Empire wasn’t the Whore since it wasn’t married to God, Judah is as explained. The Whore is ruling with the Beast, which is a great Gentile power like the Roman Empire. The False Prophet is these two powers combined, a coalition of Jews and Gentiles made to look like Messiah and savior of the world from evil. Or terrorism maybe.
When Jesus returns the False Prophet and Beast are cast into the Lake of Fire. So none of this has happened yet.
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FaithofAbraham
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God’s Kingdom was the Temple sitting on the Temple Mount, now Muslims are there. Things like that just don’t happen for no reason. Muslims represent Ishmael which represent all the Gentiles including Christians, and he is the other nation that bears fruit by preaching that Jesus is Messiah, while for the most part, Jews do not.
The Quran doesn’t deny the crucifixion as stated elsewhere. Muslims and Christians are confused about a lot of things, but they both say Jesus is Messiah.
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FaithofAbraham
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It was an abandoned trash heap when they got there, they turned it into a place of worship.Muslims are there by taking what did not belong to them!
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