You’re entitled to your opinion, but it doesn’t seem to be the case. Women were infantalised and not given the trust of fully cognizant people.I didn’t say women weren’t objectified.
Alex337:
Women were objectified, (because sinners exist everywhere in every time period) but not nearly as much as they are now. I do think the sexual revolution is the cause of it.
That’s not the same as objectifying them. Belittling them, yes. But being treated as an object is different from being treated as incompetent.
From everything I’ve seen and heard of those decades the objectification was just as great, if not worse as women’s opinions on it weren’t heard.Alex337:
That’s not the same as objectifying them. Belittling them, yes. But being treated as an object is different from being treated as incompetent.
I doesn’t matter much that she is a woman, it’s the content that matters. You are still trying to link two things you don’t like together. The abuse and sexual abuse of women has happened for centuries, well predating legal abortion and whatever you think the “sexual revolution” is. The men in power who do this have never asked for real permission to do this, either they required it to “open doors” or just took it. Just like rape is really not about sex but having power over someone. Legal abortion does little to stop men who feel enough impunity to do such things. If pregnancy did happen either those women were disposable or (don’t kid yourself) they had an illegal abortion.
Perhaps, but men’s attitudes to women have in general gotten worse as a result of the sexual revolution. Many men do view women as simply attractive objects they can play with and then move on.
So the feminist movement is bad? Or perhaps is it the beginning of the my social opinions no longer unquestionably trump those you disagree with?
They are off the rails, yeah.
What??? What are you talking about? [double entedre aside.]
I could never hate half of humanity, that’s a trope that many critics of feminism use. It’s obliviousness people have to the idea of privilege; especially the richer, whiter, and the more male. We do not all start from the same point in life as everyone else. Yes, some people work harder or do smarter things than others, but a good part of how we succeed in life is the lottery of genetics and location we are born with and into. Those that complain about “PC” politics are generally part of blame politics. The problem is that these people tend to dismiss the former.
Doesn’t that mean feminist views trump views that don’t align?
Did I say all of them? The issue is the attitude that the world was fine until women dare stand up for their rights. Feminism is not unilateral code for abortion. I also tends to follow that everything is fine as long as we avoid institutionalized inequality and LBGT issues.
Thank you for your openness. I agree with you completely on the success comment. I meant those that are insulated by wealth.
Lol that’s so wrong it’s funny. Women have gotten an absolutely terrible deal throughout history. If you truly believe your statement then you don’t know history. Men and women should be treated as equals. Anything less is unacceptable. I’m sure most women would rather have freedom, you know like to vote and own property, than to be “protected” like they were in the past.
As opposed to the past where women were pretty things to have sex with and keep in the home where she can’t worry her pretty head about any of that important stuff?Alex337:
Perhaps, but men’s attitudes to women have in general gotten worse as a result of the sexual revolution. Many men do view women as simply attractive objects they can play with and then move on.
I campaigned in the recent abortion referendum in Ireland and a lot of young men expressed the folllowing sentiment:
“I’m voting yes. Because I do go out and get a few rides (have sex with multiple women) at the weekends, and like I’d need to send her for an abortion of she got pregnant.”
I really don’t believe that women had it that bad in the past. Sure there were some inequalities, but I really think that we disrespect and objectify women more now than at any other time.
Actually I am trained as one but prefer to teach English. I thought we were discussing western culture around the sexual revolution, yes? Do you want to delve into some other time frame and culture to try to prove some point because you actually wouldn’t want to be privy to the same rights as a woman before the revolution?
For the second time, no one is denying prior to those events they didn’t exist.
It’s been recognised the sexual revolution has simply reinforced male entitlement. Judith Blake’s study revealed that back in the 1970’s. Feminist Susan Brownmiller quoted earlier pointed to it. The purported goal of the revolution was to ‘fix’ things. It hasn’t. What it has done is entrenched entitlement mentality and continued to enable sexual predators.
And now it’s even easier. Added barriers acted as disincentives. This basically falls in line with basic economic nudge theory.
That’s what some call ‘bro-choice’. The guy who coined it, Ben Sherman failed to notice it’s an apt-term because ‘bro culture’, synonymous with frat-boy culture, consists of wealthy and privileged libertine men and is often associated with misogyny. It’s blatant endorsement of pornography and casual sex says it all.
Agreed. The amount of spousal (and parental) abuse that went on was astounding. But no one thought anything of it b/c that’s just the way it had always been.
Yep, my grandma should have left my grandpa but in that time it was very taboo. Unfortunately the damage has been done and her kids all have mental health issues.