Second thoughts about the sexual revolution

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I read it. Even though we disagree on things, I hope you come back. I hope that for all lapsed Catholics.
 
Alex337 said:
We must also remember that before no fault divorce women were more likely to kill themselves in order to escape a marriage, or murder for that matter:
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The paper didn’t show liberalized divorce laws reduced murder. The authors even stated that.
Though suicides went down, it didn’t say how many. A percentage change doesn’t fully reveal such a thing.
That said, it indicates there were forced marriages (and of course there were) but not precisely how many. Though imprecise, the small size of the decrease after divorce law changes would indicate forced marriages weren’t the majority.
 
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2towers said:
I read it. Even though we disagree on things, I hope you come back. I hope that for all lapsed Catholics.
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I meant that I should put the answer as to why I strick around there 😊 and thank you, I’m quite happy though.
 
ATraveller said:
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Alex337:
We must also remember that before no fault divorce women were more likely to kill themselves in order to escape a marriage, or murder for that matter:
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The paper didn’t show liberalized divorce laws reduced murder. The authors even stated that.
Though suicides went down, it didn’t say how many. A percentage change doesn’t fully reveal such a thing.
That said, it indicates there were forced marriages (and of course there were) but not precisely how many. Though imprecise, the small size of the decrease after divorce law changes would indicate force marriages weren’t the majority.
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The murder is from a different paper that I don’t have on my phone 😊

Also, while I doubt they were the majority they were a lot. Also remember that not everyone forced into something will kill themself to escape.
 
And not every suicide by a spouse before liberalized divorce is due to being unhappiness from a forced marriage either. Mental illness, stress from outside of the marriage, etc.
 
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ATraveller said:
And not every suicide by a spouse before liberalized divorce is due to being unhappiness from a forced marriage either. Mental illness, stress from outside of the marriage, etc.
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But it is quirky that the rate went down after divorce was allowed.

Also, earlier I have some evidence that men like Weinstein were part of a problem dating from before the revolution, your thoughts?
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I think people are confusing women’s lib with the sexual revolution
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The SR was the bastard child of women’s lib and the pill. Women’s liberation was originally about equal rights and such for women. Then the pill was developed, and the women’s groups split over whether or not they would support it. #everythingIknowIlearnedinKindergarten 🍭
 
Exactly.
There were real inequalities between men and women (I think somebody upthread mentioned about how women couldn’t get credit cards in their name as late as the 70s 😱), but it’s a pretty big and illogical leap from “I should have a credit card” to “I should have the power of life and death over my children” and then lump both issues together as if they’re the same…
 
I’m amazed that the sexual revolution is being defended on a Catholic forum.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
“I should have a credit card” to “I should have the power of life and death over my children” and then lump both issues together as if they’re the same…
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Feminism is more than abortion. Equal pay, taking rape more seriously, equal opportunity…
 
The sexual revolution turned women into sex objects by divorcing the procreative element from the sex act.
 
Dacinom said:
Wealth, beauty and natural talent can actually be heavy crosses for people in life. I’m sure you’ve heard sad stories.They can often be used by others and feel far from God. Also when someone has that they can even face disdain from many. Such as a young rich talented man. Being insulated (as in getting away with crime) is something I don’t believe in because I know they will pay the price before God.

Lastly, I suppose I have too much respect for the dignity of the individual that I hesitate to lump men and women into groups, just my two cents. God bless thanks for an interesting discussion.
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I’m talking from a earthly sense. Indeed there is a wide spectrum of who people are, but statistics will bear that out. The most out of wack number I can come up with off the top of my head is the incarceration rate of black men vs white men. It’s 1 to 7 or so. I might see like 1 to 1.5 more reasonable given the neighborhoods many of them live in. But you’d have to have some pretty large bias to think these numbers are just and righteous.
 
Or if you were a poor white guy against a rich woman.

Blacks weren’t the only people to be lynched.
 
PJH_74 said:
If you were black and the purported victim was white.
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Wrong. Sympathizers and those who helped blacks from the days of slavery all the way to Jim Crow were lynched or killed. Good job though, rolling out your opinion.
 
Dacinom said:
I desire Justice in our criminal system as you do! Yet I don’t believe all Caucasian men have privledge. I know too many that were sexually abused, physically abused, and have emotional and physical scars very deep.
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This is why I said statistically, I certainly agree they are plenty of men who have encountered damage.
Dacinom said:
I do not believe in any kind of “privledge” as I believe God created each perfect as they were meant to be and no one goes through life pain free. We are to ask Christ’s help to bear the pain.
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Yes, I believe God has created us perfectly. The privilege part is part of the human fallen condition. Certainly I think you could agree that, on average, those in the Western world have substantially more wealth, food, safety, access to go healthcare, and higher life spans than those born elsewhere. This is what we need to resolve as humans. I’d really have a hard time saying to those in starving in a war zone that praying is all they need.
 
PJH_74 said:
those in the Western world have substantially more wealth, food, safety, access to go healthcare, and higher life spans than those born elsewhere.
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That’s because we built civilizations that valued life and rewarded hard work. We didn’t just stumble backwards into a superior society and culture than the rest of the world, our ancestors sacrificed to build it.
 
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