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mcq72
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Put the two together and you get conditional authority/ obedience…getting back to that trusting but verifying.
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Julius_Caesar
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Nope. The prize is salvation. Falls in line with what he says later about the Israelites.No but you get an extra prize for preaching as an apostle?
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Julius_Caesar
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That would mean taking them out of contextPut the two together
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mcq72
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Not putting the two together? As like like alledging Luther didn’ t want to put Roman’s faith together with Jame’s works?That would mean taking them out of context
It all depends on the understanding of their respective contexts. Bad doctrine must not really be bad doctrine but maybe bad practice or the doctrine of men but not really the chair speaking etc., etc.?
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CourtingTex
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Recognizing the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is not hard for those who truly seek it, when needed. Obviously, if you are living a lot of sins, recognizing the Holy Ghost is not going to be there.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Okay, but that doesn’t answer my question. How do you know that what you’re feeling is the Holy Spirit?Recognizing the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is not hard for those who truly seek it, when needed.
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Julius_Caesar
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The same Luther took Paul out of context. As Calvin did to support his false doctrine of eternal security, a doctrine you hold.As like like alledging Luther didn’ t want to put Roman’s faith together with Jame’s works?
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lanman87
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I can’t answer for CourtingTex however I can tell you what I was taught:
The Holy Spirit will never contradict scripture. So if someone preaches (or I think the Holy Spirit is telling me) a different gospel, says the Jesus didn’t rise from dead, didn’t live a sinless life, that it is okay to continue in sin, or that sins listed in the Scripture aren’t really sins, That Jesus was “With God and was God”, and any number of other things that are stated in the Scriptures then, no matter what I think (or the person saying it claims) it isn’t from the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit affirms the promises in Scripture. That those “Who call on His name” will be saved. That God is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess them, that there is no condemnation of those in Christ Jesus and so forth.
The Holy Spirit calls and empowers believers to specific task/offices. Some are called to be teachers, preachers, pastors, evangelist and so forth. And that the church (the body of Christ) prayerfully affirms the calling and sends those empowered by the Spirit for specific task/offices.
At any rate, we see forgiveness not as just a feeling given to us by the Holy Spirit, but as a matter of faith that God is faithful to the promises He has revealed in Scripture to those that seek His Kingdom and His righteousness.
The Holy Spirit will never contradict scripture. So if someone preaches (or I think the Holy Spirit is telling me) a different gospel, says the Jesus didn’t rise from dead, didn’t live a sinless life, that it is okay to continue in sin, or that sins listed in the Scripture aren’t really sins, That Jesus was “With God and was God”, and any number of other things that are stated in the Scriptures then, no matter what I think (or the person saying it claims) it isn’t from the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit affirms the promises in Scripture. That those “Who call on His name” will be saved. That God is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess them, that there is no condemnation of those in Christ Jesus and so forth.
The Holy Spirit calls and empowers believers to specific task/offices. Some are called to be teachers, preachers, pastors, evangelist and so forth. And that the church (the body of Christ) prayerfully affirms the calling and sends those empowered by the Spirit for specific task/offices.
At any rate, we see forgiveness not as just a feeling given to us by the Holy Spirit, but as a matter of faith that God is faithful to the promises He has revealed in Scripture to those that seek His Kingdom and His righteousness.
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CaptainPrudeman
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And how do you know that, when you feel forgiven, Satan is not deceiving you to make you feel like you are forgiven so that you persist in sin? How do you know it’s not just you? How can you be sure that you’re really forgiven?
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lanman87
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Because the scriptures say that I am.
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Julius_Caesar
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Scripture or how you read it?Because the scriptures say that I am.
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lanman87
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Scripture.
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CaptainPrudeman
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What exactly do they say?Because the scriptures say that I am.
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stpurl
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Is Scripture self-interpreting?
Here is a piece of Scripture:
John 6: The Jews quarrelled among themselves saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink of his blood, you shall not have life within you.”
Hmm, Scripture says that Jesus gives us His flesh and blood —not a symbol of His flesh and blood—and that if we do not eat it, we do not have life within us.
For 1500 years, Christians believed and taught that in the Eucharist we received Jesus’ Body and Blood, Flesh and Divinity, to have life within us.
Even the first Protestants —the Anglicans and Lutherans—believed that there was some kind of transformation at the consecration of the mass whereby the bread and wine became ‘more’ than bread and wine.
The words of Scripture are clear. Yet many Protestants believe that the Eucharist is merely a symbol, despite the words of Christ and the unbroken teaching of the Christian world for 1500 years before the great fracturing of the kingdom, where only the Catholics and Orthodox then persisted in a complete and full understanding of the teaching and not an incomplete or even a total repudiation of the teaching.
How can Scripture teach ‘against’ Scripture as this Protestant reinterpretation of the words of our Lord has done?
Here is a piece of Scripture:
John 6: The Jews quarrelled among themselves saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink of his blood, you shall not have life within you.”
Hmm, Scripture says that Jesus gives us His flesh and blood —not a symbol of His flesh and blood—and that if we do not eat it, we do not have life within us.
For 1500 years, Christians believed and taught that in the Eucharist we received Jesus’ Body and Blood, Flesh and Divinity, to have life within us.
Even the first Protestants —the Anglicans and Lutherans—believed that there was some kind of transformation at the consecration of the mass whereby the bread and wine became ‘more’ than bread and wine.
The words of Scripture are clear. Yet many Protestants believe that the Eucharist is merely a symbol, despite the words of Christ and the unbroken teaching of the Christian world for 1500 years before the great fracturing of the kingdom, where only the Catholics and Orthodox then persisted in a complete and full understanding of the teaching and not an incomplete or even a total repudiation of the teaching.
How can Scripture teach ‘against’ Scripture as this Protestant reinterpretation of the words of our Lord has done?
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lanman87
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15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
I can draw near the throne of grace to find mercy, grace, and help.
8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I am confident that when I approach the throne of grace confessing my sins that he is faithful and just to forgive my sins and cleans me from all unrighteousness.
To say otherwise is to say Scripture is false.
16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
I can draw near the throne of grace to find mercy, grace, and help.
8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I am confident that when I approach the throne of grace confessing my sins that he is faithful and just to forgive my sins and cleans me from all unrighteousness.
To say otherwise is to say Scripture is false.
Tis_Bearself
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I had a chuckle the other night, driving down one of the main arteries here and seeing a church that had a big sign out front that read “Confessing is a Blessing!”
The reason why I chuckled is that the church with the big sign was the United Methodists.
The Catholic church across the street had no such sign. It should!
The reason why I chuckled is that the church with the big sign was the United Methodists.
The Catholic church across the street had no such sign. It should!
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Julius_Caesar
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How you read it.Scripture
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Julius_Caesar
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John 20 is missing from your Scripture selection.
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TULIPed
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I would say that we don’t just “feel” forgiven. We know that we’re forgiven. We know and believe after all that Jesus died for our sins. The whole reason we’re Christians is that we recognize our need for a savior. We actually feel remorseful for what we’ve done. We’re thankful for what Christ did for us.And how do you know that, when you feel forgiven
Does it help for us to confess our sins directly to a person? Yes. Does it feel good when, in corporate confession, a pastor assures us of pardon? Yes. If we (or you) were on a deserted island and knelt and said the Lord’s Prayer, would we know that we were pardoned. Yes.
We know this because we believe in Him. We trust Him. We know Him. We love Him. Just like you.
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Julius_Caesar
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Yeah, except for the fact that Jesus doesn’t promise this when you pray the Our Father.If we (or you) were on a deserted island and knelt and said the Lord’s Prayer, would we know that we were pardoned. Yes.
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