Seeking help for my problem

[truthlovingorthodox]

I was going to say this 3 days ago

I can only say I am exploring catholicism. I can not say it is certainly the truth. Jesus may be the only way to heaven and I do not deny it and there is no one people who died without accepting Jesus in the heart in heaven and there is no one who has to remain invincibly ignorant and we trust God with regard to them as the most loving one who died for them he alone knows about those who if they exist who never heard about christ.

The answer may be I may have to be more convinced of what my own church and the bible teaches because it seems I am not a true or strong believer. So I will explore both churches. This means I do not deny Jesus is the only way to heaven. St Moses the black was in the desert and he was seeking and God led him to salvation in the desert by the abbot of the monastery St Isiodore. I will share for you a portion from a book called timeless truth written by a member of our church. But I just fear losing my salvation so am afraid to lose a talent and am burying it by thinking I must convince people to go to heaven but that seems what paul did knowing the terror of the Lord we perusade man but I may be trying to convince by judging. But maybe I am burying my talent when I no longer feel it is my duty to speak the truth

Don’t say I am judging when you yourself believe I am going to hell if I don’t accept roman catholic beliefs when you judge also other people who think it is their job to say one way does not lead to heaven that is against yours

In this pdf it shows God witnesses about judgement to everyone through creation but we should still reach them for it helps to know Jesus the Savior of the World

https://blog12781113175.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/what-will-happen-to-those-who-never-heard-of-christ.pdf

If I was to be catholic do I have to accept beliefs on invincible ignorance? anyway I will not convert unless I am sure it is truth

 

[truthlovingorthodox]

I want to expand on the below I said

Otherwise I may be leading even many catholics to hell for not thinking they need christ and to tell the world about christ to teach His truth.

It is not my job to accept or not accept catholics but I believe and accept them to be saved if they believe in Jesus and they do not deny He is God and are trusting in Jesus for salvation though they believe some people are invincibly ignorant even among those who have heard the gospel. Invincible ignorance is acceptable because it does not teach those are saved who could have found the truth so it leaves it to God. God does not need you to know everything I suppose but that does not mean the truth can not be found. They already have creation and conscience as witness against them of God’s power. They also can find the full truth if they are seeking with all their heart or diligently but even among those not seeking diligently God may use a person who knows the truth and willing to reach those people if that person is willing. That is our responsibility to reach them we who know the truth. It is our responsibility but if we failed we are unfortunately also responsible for loss but God may forgive us if we repent but we still lose. Of whom much is given more is required. Because I assume catholics sincerly believe in invincibly ignorance. So some catholics may not be able to save a soul but they won’t lose their soul if they are sincere either. God draws all men to Himself by Himself. Therefore on people death bed He will draw them to seek Him and they will find Him if they are open if they are lucky enough to die while able to seek God. However if there is a minister happens to be there and is available to help and they refuse it they may not be able to find God unless God excuses that particular person and allows him to find Him without the minister

 

[PJM]

On another forum I blamed this site and the q and a non forum version of Catholic answers for not having many priests to contact anyway I didn’t get a reply to my question from the q and a site so I thought they are selective. I wanted to ask them if I should post something because I wanted to request from members of this site all the books they think I should read to consider Catholicism as one who is orthodox. I didn’t want to just ask because I thought I am using people and not helping them feel they need to strive for salvation .I concluded the Catholic Church is not interested in converts and so I don’t have to conver

Thank you for posting:

Here’s the issue for you to GRASP {prayerfully}

There is only One True God

Even GOD can only have One set of Faith Beliefs {hence THEY ARE His true one

Jesus only FOUNDED One Church directly: Mt 16:18-20; Mt 10:1-8; John 17:17-20

Jesus {GOD} choose to share the FULLNESS in His one {original} historically provable church which exist for 1054 years before the Great Easter Schism. Note that both Peter and Paul died in ROME. & GOOGLE the Early Fathers on the Primacy

Father Hardon one of the most esteemed theologians of the 20th Century taught this about TRUTH

““TRUTH” is the condition of grace; “TRUTH” is the source of grace, “TRUTH” is the channel of grace, it is the the Divinely ordained requirement of grace.”

Here are some books to read:

Unabridged Christianity by Father Mario P. Romero

This Is the Faith by Canon Francis Ripley

READ BOTH, and both are EXCELLENT

Pray very much,
Patrick {PJM]

 

[guanophore]

there is no one people who died without accepting Jesus in the heart in heaven

So do you believe that all human beings who died before Jesus was born do not have a chance at heaven?

there is no one who has to remain invincibly ignorant

I agree that every person has an obligation to seek after God, and find Him, but this does not mean there are no invincibly ignorant people.

I may have to be more convinced of what my own church and the bible teaches because it seems I am not a true or strong believer.

By what standard is this measured?

I just fear losing my salvation

How do you imagine this would happen?

I may be trying to convince by judging.

Your posts do seem to come across judgmentally. You seem to make a lot of assumptions without collecting all the facts.

But maybe I am burying my talent when I no longer feel it is my duty to speak the truth

I think we are all obligated to speak the Truth, but you will be in a much better position to do this when you are well catechized in your faith.

Don’t say I am judging when you yourself believe I am going to hell if I don’t accept roman catholic beliefs

Has anyone actually told you this? I have not seen anyone here doing it.

If I was to be catholic do I have to accept beliefs on invincible ignorance?

This actually seems to be the least of your problems.

I will not convert unless I am sure it is truth

This is wise. Perhaps, instead of assaulting us about what you think we believe, you might consider actually finding out what we believe.

 

[guanophore]

Otherwise I may be leading even many catholics to hell for not thinking they need christ and to tell the world about christ to teach His truth.

This is very confusing. First of all, why would you be trying to “lead Catholics” anywhere? If they are Catholic, do you think they don’t already know they need Christ?

I do agree that Catholics are not always the best with evangelism, but what makes you think that Catholics do not know they are to bring Christ to the world?

It is not my job to accept or not accept catholics

To some extent, I think it is. You need to decide what kind of relationship you will have with persons who are Catholic, no matter what else you may decide.

I believe and accept them to be saved if they believe in Jesus and they do not deny He is God and are trusting in Jesus for salvation

Well this begs the question of why you would need to “lead Catholics” anywhere?

though they believe some people are invincibly ignorant even among those who have heard the gospel

Not everyone who has heard the Gospel is able to receive it, for whatever reason. We are not in a position to judge the hearts of others. Only God can do that.

It is our responsibility but if we failed we are unfortunately also responsible for loss but God may forgive us if we repent but we still lose.

While I agree that we are responsible to always spread the good news everywhere, I am not sure what you mean by “we still lose” if we fail. Do you think that God is not able to find a way to get His Word to people? Is He so dependent upon YOU that a soul will be lost if you don’t succeed in evangelizing them?

. Therefore on people death bed He will draw them to seek Him and they will find Him if they are open if they are lucky enough to die while able to seek God.

Catholics call this the baptism of desire.