Senate sets states' rights 'crimes' (Federal agents would be guilty of Class 6 felony)

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SamH said:
Switzerland seems to do OK to.
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Well, it is starting to buckle under diplomatic pressure to give up what has been one of its biggest assets of all, safe banking. The global banking cabal needs to be able to track everyone’s money.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
The citizens of Arizona created the State of Arizona. The federal government allowed them into the union. That is the way the process works. Just like Puerto Rico. The federal government cannot just unilaterally MAKE PR a state. The people of PR need to vote to see if they even want to be a state, which thusfar has not happened.

My guess, just based on past postings, is that you prefer the tyranny of the majority and would have worn blue.
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Really. Did Arizona gain its independence from Mexico on its own? No. Did Arizone make the Gadsen Purchase on its own? No.

And, YES, I would have worn blue. I don’t believe that rebellion against a lawful authority (a mortal sin, if I’m not mistaken) is an appropriate way to effect change.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Really. Did Arizona gain its independence from Mexico on its own? No. Did Arizone make the Gadsen Purchase on its own? No.

And, YES, I would have worn blue. I don’t believe that rebellion against a lawful authority (a mortal sin, if I’m not mistaken) is an appropriate way to effect change.
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Actually it was the Gadsden Purchase and I’m sure they will reimburse the federal government the $10 million dollars.
 
SeaShoreGirl said:
As a New Englander, with the ability to go to five different states in less than 3 hours, I think I hold a perspective that those living in the south or west don’t have.

For instance. Rode Island is about as liberal as it can get. It also contains the crystal meth capital of the united states.
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Where did you heard that Rhode Island contains the crystal meth capital of the US? Internet searches I performed showed no great connection between RI and crystal meth.

According to the DEA:
“Methamphetamine is rarely seen in Rhode Island…Meth labs seldom are found in Rhode Island.”
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Really. Did Arizona gain its independence from Mexico on its own? No. Did Arizone make the Gadsen Purchase on its own? No.

And, YES, I would have worn blue. I don’t believe that rebellion against a lawful authority (a mortal sin, if I’m not mistaken) is an appropriate way to effect change.
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Nature’s Law gives people the right to abolish and reestablish government when government becomes abusive of its power. The southern states believed that the federal government was becoming abusive of its Constitutionally limited authority, and so severed ties with it. Nothing immoral about that.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
And, YES, I would have worn blue. I don’t believe that rebellion against a lawful authority (a mortal sin, if I’m not mistaken)
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You are. There are many cases for civil disobedience. In any case, it is a moot issue. No one is “in rebellion.” There is is not an armed uprising. The law is simply being changed. That is not rebellion.
 
SamH said:
Actually it was the Gadsden Purchase and I’m sure they will reimburse the federal government the $10 million dollars.
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Thank you for helping me perfect my spelling.

I’m sure interest would be paid as well?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Nature’s Law gives people the right to abolish and reestablish government when government becomes abusive of its power. The southern states believed that the federal government was becoming abusive of its Constitutionally limited authority, and so severed ties with it. Nothing immoral about that.
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By invoking natural law, you now need to show me Catholic teaching that agrees with this.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
How about they just give it back to the Arizonans? Why do they have to fall under some tyrannical, oppressive central government?
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The Mexicans will probably end up taking it back someday anyhow, so to save money and unnecessary deaths, lets just give it back to them now. That way we solve two problems at the same time. 🙂
 
LCMS_No_More said:
By invoking natural law, you now need to show me Catholic teaching that agrees with this.
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I can show you why *Americans *should accept this:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation
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The Catholic principle is called subsidiarity and is outlined in Caritas in Veritate.
 
gamewell45 said:
The Mexicans will probably end up taking it back someday anyhow, so to save money and unnecessary deaths, lets just give it back to them now. That way we solve two problems at the same time. 🙂
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Why don’t we give them back New Mexico and California while we’re at it. And while we are feeling so charitable, let’s give The Dakota’s back to the Sioux, the middle plains back to the Comanchee, and the East Coast back to the Chipewa, Cherokee, Powhatan (et al.) We can give New England back to the Algonquans and Iroquois, and Hurons, and Florida back to the Seminoles. That leave Texas and some of the South East left. Ooops, Texas needs to go back to the Apache and Navajo. The we can all sail back to Europe and Africa.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
So is SUBSIDIARITY. Read up on it.
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I understand that. It’s why I work for a STATE and not the FEDS.

But let me ask you this. Are we one nation or 50? Do you believe that we should be the United States or something else? How many ways do you want to divide us?
 
LCMS_No_More said:
I understand that. It’s why I work for a STATE and not the FEDS.

But let me ask you this. Are we one nation or 50? Do you believe that we should be the United States or something else? How many ways do you want to divide us?
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Well, if as you put it, you are a Catholic first, then shouldn’t the Catholic teaching on subsidiarity supercede federalism?
 
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