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Since Islam seems to be the most recent major worldly religion I have a question that hopefully someone could give some insight on or actually several.I don’t know that much other than the major tenants of Islam.

Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?

If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?

Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?

Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.

I’m just confused.
 
Since Islam seems to be the most recent major worldly religion I have a question that hopefully someone could give some insight on or actually several.I don’t know that much other than the major tenants of Islam.
Thanks for asking. I hope that Muslim Woman will also take note of your problems and will reply There is a thread already by ASK ISLAM..
Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?
**Jesus fulfilled his mission very well but people do forget. Just like the Jews became misled after Moses a.s. and many prophets had come after Moses to guide the Jews. But they went astray, so much that they lost their liberty. So it was necessary their Messiah should come to rid them of their calamities.

Jesus did very well. But there was too much opposition. Still he completed his mission and went away. What happened to his message is troublesome story. Some people played havoc with his message. The message of Jesus was primarily only for the Jews.

So there was need to revive the message and God revealed the message to Muhammad for the guidance of the entire mankind. Let any one believe this or deny it. We will not press any one to believe it.**
If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?
** Good question. Please know that it is God only who guides some men (prophets) to help others by a message. It is not only inspiration they have. They have intuition and intellect and above all, revelation. Revelation from God is highest form of knowledge. All prophets had revelation from God. So did Muhammad. Revelation comes care of an angel called holy spirit, i.e Gabriel.

So it was God who revealed to Muhammad and all others.**
Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?
** I had answered that above. Even if the teachings of Jesus were perfect, they may not be so now, with christianity. They made many changes in the original message. Some changes are grave mistakes. It was necessary to correct them. They were no more the way to truth.**
Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.
I’m just confused.
**Do not worry. Read bible NT and the Quran and any other religious book. Try to understand. BUt be liberal and no prejudice, racial business. God has given you eyes, ears, heart. These may be initial guides in finding the truth. If you find something is true, accept it.

If you reject what seems to be correct and true then you will not get any more truth; you will keep on wandering and wondering about these things. Peace, and Love for all.**
 
Salaam/peace
…I’m just confused.
planten: Thanks for asking. I hope that Muslim Woman will also take note of your problems and will reply There is a thread already by ASK ISLAM…
InshaAllah ( God Willing ) will be back with some replies later . now time for breakfast 😛
 
Salaam/peace
I don’t know that much other than the major tenants of Islam.
you may read holy Quran to know about Islam. To get a free copy , pl. write to our revert bro ( ex Christian priest ) Yusuf Estet in USA.

allahsquran.com/free/

video link

watchislam.com/videos/video.php?vid=85
Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?
other Prophets ( pbut ) came to their people only. The last prophet Muhammed (p) came for the whole mankind & Jinn.
He is the seal of the Prophets (p).
If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?
no one but God inspired all the Prophets including Muhammed (p).
Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?
bro already mentioned …Jesus (p) came only for jews. A Prophet was needed for all.
Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.
the main point is same : God is only one .
I’m just confused
read all holy books including Quran , compare the books , ask God to help you to find the truth . God Willing , you will find the truth 🙂

few related links :

Listen While You Read - “Muhammad A to Z”

What Do You Know About . .
Muhammad?( peace be upon him)

prophetofislam.com/goodies.html

Did Jesus Claim That He Is God?

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218650329081&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE

Salvation Through Jesus?

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016076&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE
 
If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?
Read this authentic Hadith and think why such angel would use that force & violence against Muhammed…

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3:
…The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’ Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, ‘I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?’ Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me …
(E) (A).

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 2:
“*Narrated 'Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah’s Apostle “O Allah’s Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes ’ off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says.” 'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over). *”
(E) (A) .

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:*
“…But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains …”*
(E) (A) .

But that wasn’t the case when God The Most High spoke with Moses through the burning bush (Exodus 2:3), and how angel Gabriel spoke with Mary:

"*In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. *(Luke 1:26-32).

Did angel Gabriel press Mary hard when she asked him that question, or he used normal words to explain her everything.
 
The message of Jesus was primarily only for the Jews.
bro already mentioned …Jesus (p) came only for jews. A Prophet was needed for all.
Maybe for “Muslim Woman” its the first time it will read this, but you planten, I think we have discussed that before here, and again you repeat the same thing!!!

(Matthew 28:18-20):
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

And Jesus disciples spoke with different languages (including YOURS & mine):
(Acts 2:1-12):
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?
 
Maybe for “Muslim Woman” its the first time it will read this, but you planten, I think we have discussed that before here, and again you repeat the same thing!!!

(Matthew 28:18-20):
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

And Jesus disciples spoke with different languages (including YOURS & mine):
(Acts 2:1-12):
**That was a major change in the policy of Jesus. Could we say that the earlier verses of not preaching to gentiles were abrogated? They were so strict orders not to preach to the gentiles that they were likened to dogs. Such could not be the policy of a god? First he forbade and preaching to the non-Jews. Then in the end of his time in Kana’an he told every one to preach to every nation.

There is some fallacy in that statement. It seems to be an after thought.**
 
**Also baptising in the name of father should have been enough and it was not wrong to say about the son and holy spirit too. That is because Jesus (the son) needed holy spirit. And father needed the son.

WE have the name of the prophet in the Kalimah with the name of Allah. But that does not make the prophet as a god at all.

Similarly the christians were to preach about God, in the name of God and use the name of Jesus too because that was necessary to tell every one from where the teaching was comiing. Also the holy spirit was necessary because Jesus was helpless without the holy spirit. But that did not make Jesus or holy spirit as gods. Christians are taking wrong meaning of the words of the bible.**
 
Hi.
Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?
Christians do not believe that God revealed any message to Mohammad. Many of the messages brought by Mohammad were either downgrading of what Jesus had revealed or they were just contradicting them. Because of this and when we discern Mohammad’s message we would come to a conclusion that he could not possibly be anyone that came from God that Jesus preached of.

That’s right, Jesus had already fulfilled his mission. There is nothing new to add to what already revealed. In any case, anything else other than the Gospel is simply inferior, so to speak. So we have to reject them and Mohammad falls into this category.
If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?
Your guess is as good as mine. 😉
Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?
God does not allow untruth but Satan is free to spread his lies. And men/women are given free will. So there are things that are contradictory to God being spread on this earth. It is up to us to decide whether to take up the truth or not, whether to believe in Jesus or not, whether to believe in the witnesses of the apostles or not.
Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.
This is a misnomer actually. Islam is never close to Judaism or Christianity. Those purported similarities are merely claims and they are just that. What it is trying to do is to rewrite Judaism and Christianity - that’s why if we look closely there are so many contradictions rather than similairties between Islam and Judaism/Christianity.
I’m just confused.
I can understand you feel that way. It’s good to look further into Islam in order to know it better and see how it can never be similar to either Judaism or Christianity.

God bless.
 
Since Islam seems to be the most recent major worldly religion I have a question that hopefully someone could give some insight on or actually several.I don’t know that much other than the major tenants of Islam.

Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?

If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?

Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?

Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.

I’m just confused.
I second what Reuben said:)
I’m not a Muslim but I studied Judaism, Islam and Christianity before I became a Catholic.
I believe Muhammad was influenced by a demon, not an angel. The fact that Muhammad couldn’t recieve the “mystery spirit” when a dog was in the room supports this. Dogs are sensitive to evil spirits and will bark at them. So Muhammad had all the dogs in his area killed.
We know that the NT is the fulfillment of God’s scripture. For that reason we don’t follow the Book of Mormon or the Koran or anything else. God’s infinite wisdom is not known to man. But there are ALWAYS false prophets and I’m sure there would be even more after Jesus as the devil will want to take spirits away from God.
Islam is not connected closely to the Judeo-Christian tradition. Any more than the book of Mormon is.
 
Maybe for “Muslim Woman” its the first time it will read this, but you planten, I think we have discussed that before here, and again you repeat the same thing!!!

(Matthew 28:18-20):
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

And Jesus disciples spoke with different languages (including YOURS & mine):
(Acts 2:1-12):
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?
**SAM please be kind. Was Jesus not the promised Messiah of the Jews? Were the Jews not waiting for the Messiah? Nobody else was waiting for the Messiah. But Jews were told about the Messiah and they were waiting for their Messiah and their Messiah (Jesus) had come.

So we said that the message of Jesus was for the Jews. But you seem to disagree to that. You have no grounds.**
 
Hi.

Christians do not believe that God revealed any message to Mohammad. Many of the messages brought by Mohammad were either downgrading of what Jesus had revealed or they were just contradicting them. Because of this and when we discern Mohammad’s message we would come to a conclusion that he could not possibly be anyone that came from God that Jesus preached of.
** This is simply prejudiced thinking, unnatural, not universal, not all embracing. If nobody but a special race could get the messages from God then that God was not of all mankind. That God was of a few people only.

Then what right have those few people of one race to start preaching to the whole world. Unjustified.
Jesus was for the jews. He was their saviour, their Messiah.He was not the promised messiah of the whole world. That is a fact known to every one. So remember Jesus for the Jews only.

Then double standard due to prejudice. An angel visits Joseph the carpentar and gives him a message. Christians believe that. But if an angel brings any message to Muhammad they do not believe that.

The world’s problems had not come to an end with the arrival of Jesus. Jesus left telling every one about the coming of a Comforter. he said that he had many things tosay but could not do it, Some one will come and lead the people. That means the mission is not completed.

Similarly, in Deut 18:18, there is a clear need for some one to come after Moses and he would be a man like Moses. There is a need for some law giving prophet to come after Moses a.s.

But the church denies everything. The burden is on the church.**
That’s right, Jesus had already fulfilled his mission. There is nothing new to add to what already revealed. In any case, anything else other than the Gospel is simply inferior, so to speak. So we have to reject them and Mohammad falls into this category.
Jesus felt that he had more to say but could not do it then. That means his mission was not complete because the ones for whom he came rejected him. He was badly rejected. Only saved by the Grace of Allah from an ignominous death on the cross.
This is a misnomer actually. Islam is never close to Judaism or Christianity. Those purported similarities are merely claims and they are just that. What it is trying to do is to rewrite Judaism and Christianity - that’s why if we look closely there are so many contradictions rather than similairties between Islam and Judaism/Christianity.
That is what you think. It is a religion in line with the Abraham’s strict Unitarian faith, the same as the Jews. Only the church is odd one out, Sailing on two boats at once..
I can understand you feel that way. It’s good to look further into Islam in order to know it better and see how it can never be similar to either Judaism or Christianity.
God bless.
**If you disown us then we are also not very anxious to own you. You say funny things. Sometimes you say Muslims do not worship same God as you do. Then you believe in three gods in one god. And so many other impossible things about Jesus status.

That he was a man and a son of man and a god and a son of a god all at the same time. And a god and a prophet of god too. Quite impossible, all that mixture. And Jesus was the son of a woman (That is the most true statement and Quran has used that.) Jesus was the son of a man and the son of a woman.

You see how many complications you have to mislead the people? Jesus said about himself that he was the son of a man and people also thought him to be biological son of Joseph. But you peopel think they were joking. Jesus and the people were just joking and not telling the truth. **
 
There is only one verse from the bible you need to know.“You will know them by there fruits” War, war,war, oppression, slavery, corruption, judging everyone without an honest eye on them selves. Sure the individual muslum is capable and very often is very welcomimg,generous and kind, but if muslums are in the majority they have scripture to condone anyone’s death. You will know them by there fruits 1600 years islam ha shown that the indavidual is capable of humanity but the group is not.:mad:
 
There is only one verse from the bible you need to know.“You will know them by there fruits” War, war,war, oppression, slavery, corruption, judging everyone without an honest eye on them selves. Sure the individual muslum is capable and very often is very welcomimg,generous and kind, but if muslums are in the majority they have scripture to condone anyone’s death. You will know them by there fruits 1600 years islam ha shown that the indavidual is capable of humanity but the group is not.:mad:
**What you have written about Islam is not true. It may be true about the Muslims but not about Islam. And please do not forgot those church officials who punished Galileo and do not forget your bloody Mary, the Queen of Scotland.

And Napolean was a great christian Hero who plundered east and west, north and South, the names of those countries whom he attacked is written on a big arch in Paris.

**
 
Since Islam seems to be the most recent major worldly religion I have a question that hopefully someone could give some insight on or actually several.I don’t know that much other than the major tenants of Islam.

Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?

If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?

Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?

Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.

I’m just confused.
Islam was a heresy that grew into its own religion. It’s a man-made faith, just like Mormonism. Mohammed stole the beliefs of other religions and put them into Islam, just like Joseph Smith stole the beliefs of other religions and put them into Mormonism. There’s a lot of similiarities between Islam and Mormonism in regards to their history and prophets. A great question you can ask Muslims is why they aren’t Mormons. They can say that Joseph Smith is a fraud, but the same argument can be made against Mohammed.

Christianity is the one true religion, founded by the one true God. The Lord has revealed Himself in His Word Incarnate, Jesus, and since He has revealed Himself in Jesus and He is the truth itself, there is nothing else to be revealed: God has revealed everything in Christ. Man cannot, for all that, understand completely all that was revealed in Jesus, being finite creatures, so Jesus promised His Father would send the Holy Spirit - the Spirit of God, the Spirit of truth - to lead Christianity into all truths.
 
Islam was a heresy that grew into its own religion. It’s a man-made faith, just like Mormonism. Mohammed stole the beliefs of other religions and put them into Islam, just like Joseph Smith stole the beliefs of other religions and put them into Mormonism. There’s a lot of similiarities between Islam and Mormonism in regards to their history and prophets. A great question you can ask Muslims is why they aren’t Mormons. They can say that Joseph Smith is a fraud, but the same argument can be made against Mohammed.

Christianity is the one true religion, founded by the one true God. The Lord has revealed Himself in His Word Incarnate, Jesus, and since He has revealed Himself in Jesus and He is the truth itself, there is nothing else to be revealed: God has revealed everything in Christ. Man cannot, for all that, understand completely all that was revealed in Jesus, being finite creatures, so Jesus promised His Father would send the Holy Spirit - the Spirit of God, the Spirit of truth - to lead Christianity into all truths.
**You are killing many birds with one stone. Who would believe you !! Self praise is no recommendation. But no body will say that you did not try to kill many birds with one stone. **
 
**You are killing many birds with one stone. Who would believe you !! Self praise is no recommendation. But no body will say that you did not try to kill many birds with one stone. **
Back up your claims with evidence or else you sound like clanging cymbals.
 
**What you have written about Islam is not true. It may be true about the Muslims but not about Islam. And please do not forgot those church officials who punished Galileo and do not forget your bloody Mary, the Queen of Scotland.

And Napolean was a great christian Hero who plundered east and west, north and South, the names of those countries whom he attacked is written on a big arch in Paris.

**
What I have written about islam is true. You have to go back up to 1000 years friend, Look to Pakistaan today, Saudi today, Iran today, look at islam today, if the Christians behaved like that you would be right to accuse us. But you’re comments on the west cannot be ignored or deffended and I do not…but there is one major differance, all the above mentioned countries oppress, make war and kill in the name of God.Napolean is a Frech hero, if he was a great christian hero I would have encountered his name in my religous study (personal, not official).Galileo Thye church has admitted it’s error. Salmon Rushdi what’s you’r opinion on him? Whats Irans? Whats Saudi? Death see the point yet??? You’r proving my point "judging others without an honest eye on yourselves. And bloody Mary? Please inform me. But one thing you should know I’m from Scotland.
 
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