Seventh Day Adventists

[tqualey]

Hi, ern42,

Stay on topic… it keeps everything a lot easier to manage. Now, if you are so motiviated, you can start your own thread on clerty sex abuse (oh, and it is not just Catholic Clergy that are involved - so, you probably want to get a full airing of this topic of your interest).

Hey Paul,
Be very careful before casting any stones… americancatholic.org/News/ClergySexAbuse

Poor little boys and teenagers have suffered tremendously!!! Wouldn’t you agree?

I am sure it comes as no surprise that the Catholic Church is filled with sinners - and these sinners occupy every conceivable position in the Catholic Church. What may, however, come as a surprise, is that although there has public scandal in the Catholic Church, Christ promised the Holy Spirit to guide and protect it from ever teaching error. Christ did not promise that there would only saintly people who occupy positions of trust and responsibility and leadership.

Now, try again in your attempted refutation of Paul’s post. Personally, i thought he had some good ideas for you to consider and then address.

God bless

 

[greggy53]

I continue to state…
Give me a Bible verse in which God tells me he has officially changed Sabbath to Sunday! You can’t! Let me make it easy for you, you will NEVER find a Bible text that says that GOD has changed his holy Sabbath (4th commandment) to Sunday! NEVER!!!
Still waiting???

We will continue to tell the truth, the truth that the Church has the authority to make whatever day it wishes the Lords day. Where does the Church get this authority? From Jesus Christ himself. It’s in the scriptures:
Matthew18,18 "Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. "
Note the words “whatsoever” This is where it says that the Church has the authority to change the day of worship.
Now, you evidently have been taught some of the scriptures,at least certain ones, but you are lacking I’m afraid in any in-depth knowledge or understanding. This is understandable because you do not have access to the fullness of truth that has been revealed to God’s Church.

 

[happilycatholic]

I continue to state…

Give me a Bible verse in which God tells me he has officially changed Sabbath to Sunday! You can’t! Let me make it easy for you, you will NEVER find a Bible text that says that GOD has changed his holy Sabbath (4th commandment) to Sunday! NEVER!!!

 

[happilycatholic]

Alan/Tom/Len/HC,

Thanks all for your comments and considerate responses. The RC church is lucky to have you as members - I pray that you will win many souls.
For me, you’ve planted a seed - not bad, eh. I won’t be deviating from my current course but should I become disaffected as an SDA, I will give the RC church a hard look - I would have never said that a year ago.

blessings,
paul

Hi Paul:

I suspect the conversion from the Sabbath will be as painful and difficult as it was for the Jews in the time of Christ. Many did not make it. Many refuse still today. You at least worship Christ. But please consider that Christ is a new and different Covenant. Far above the Law.

If we had all we needed in the Sabbath, Christ would never have come to us. If there was Redeeming Power in the Sabbath, Christ would not have to have sacraficed His life.

But he did.

Please open your heart to the Lord’s Day.

2 Corinthians 3:3-7

God Bless You.

HC

 

[Richard_Kastner]

[Again, no you may not. You can tell me what you *think

the Scriptures say, but since this can only ever be your opinion or whatever influence you’ve had regarding the subject, it will be just that, an opinion.

Again, yes I can scripture is not ambiguous Jn 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
This is pretty clear right? God, because of His love for us gives us (grace) His Son and all we have to do is accept it in faith. Doesn’t say anything here about communion or confession to a priest. The one thing that is brought out later is our announcement of that faith through baptism. This isn’t my opinion. I’m not making up some wild fabrication. This is what it says. If you have your own opinion or if your church’s opinion differs from this, lets here it.

You have an errant opinion based on a flawed interpretation of Scripture.

How is my interpretation flawed?

First of all, it is almost impossible to prove an entire doctrine (like faith alone) on one single verse of Scripture. You cannot take one single verse, pluck it out and prove a doctrine by it.

What makes you think i’m only using one verse. The proof texts for this very important point are numerous. I’ve already quoted Jn3:16 Here’s v. 17& 18
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Here is how Paul preached
20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,
21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Don’t you think that if grace was dispensed through the recieving of the sacraments that that would be something that would be profitable? Yet Paul Doesn’t mention anythig here about it. What he does mention is repentance of our sins (not confesssion to a priest) and faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself in John 14:6 says 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Romans 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

I could go on and on, but this one probably is sufficiant Gal. 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
When you read the NT I just don’t see how you can come to any other conclusion than the only thing that you need is faith in Jesus Christ.

See the small part I bolded? That is exactlywhat I said.

I’m sorry could you site the post where you said this exactly . I looked back and I could’nt find it.

You rely on a pastor of your choosing to empart the gift of salvation that you believe is Baptism don’t you? Then tell me why a priest can’t empart Grace through other sacraments?

A pastor or any other man does not empart salvation to anyone. Salvation is emparted by God to us (grace) and we recieve it through faith. No third party is required. This is the supreme lie of the CC that is perpetrated on it’s members that a priest is required for an individuals salvation. Wise up HP. This is a relationship between you and God, no one else is required.

Protestants tend to pick and choose what they want to believe when they want to believe it.

I don’t know what you mean by this.

Quote:
Grace is the Gift of eternal life through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Any other definition is nonsense.

Can you tell me where you get this from?

Blessings,

HC

Eph. 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[greggy53]

Again, yes I can scripture is not ambiguous Jn 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
This is pretty clear right? God, because of His love for us gives us (grace) His Son and all we have to do is accept it in faith. Doesn’t say anything here about communion or confession to a priest. The one thing that is brought out later is our announcement of that faith through baptism. This isn’t my opinion. I’m not making up some wild fabrication. This is what it says. If you have your own opinion or if your church’s opinion differs from this, lets here it.
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There are many scriptures that are fairly obvious, and yet many still differ on their interpretation. As far as not saying anything about “communion or confession to a priest” the scriptures certainly do not say anything about a “rapture”, or that “Christians can’t worship on Sunday”, or the “Whore of Babylon is the Catholic church in Rome.” Yet you folks certainly teach these things. They are your interpretations of scripture. The Sacrament of Holy Communion was instituted by our Lord, and the same Lord and God gave the apostles the power to forgive or retain sins. These are our interpretation of scripture. Who is right and who is wrong? It all boils down to the question of authority, Who do you say has that authority?

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Richard,

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This is a little longer then I had intended - and it is taking some time - but, I want you to understand I have been reading your posts - the issue, as you probably have guessed, is that I do not agree with them… So, let’s remain focused on your opening paragraph and see what we can do to clarify the issue…

You have not shown that there was no misunderstanding only that Jesus uses the same metaphore over and over again. The twelve knew what He was talking about as revealed in Peter’s statement in v.68 “Simon Peter answered him, Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.”

The Eucharistic discourse can be found in John 6: 24-71. And while you have quoted it on more then one occasion, I think you are overlooking some elements. Let me explain…

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When the crowd saw that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they themselves got into boats and came to Capernaum looking for Jesus.
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And when they found him across the sea they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
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Jesus answered them and said, “Amen, amen, I say to you, you are looking for me not because you saw signs but because you ate the loaves and were filled. You are quite right Richard, these guys must have been the original freeloaders - looking for another free meal and not for the message that Christ is preaching. And Christ calls their hand on this immediately.
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Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal.” Yesterday, the crowd had fish and bread - whatever is on the perishable menu of their minds - as long as it is free - is fine with them! Christ must first get the idea of yet another free meal out of their minds.
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So they said to him, “What can we do to accomplish the works of God?” This is one of the best things this group ever said - while I am not sure if they meant it or not - this is a much better showing then they are accustomed to giving Christ./COLOR]
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Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.” Christ is laying the foundation for the rest of the discourse - if you do not believe in Christ’s words you are not believing Him. Got tht Richard? You are to listen to what Christ says and then follow His commands. This will show that you believe in Christ. Got that?
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So they said to him, “What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do? Apparently feeding 5,000 yesterday was ot a big enough sign - but, it shows you where their heart and mind are located.
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16 Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”
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So Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. The Jews are quite eager for another free meal and have set the tone for what they hope is the granting of their wish. Christ corrects them and calls God His Father Who is responsible for the manna. So, now we have a bridge linking the OT feeding of God’s people with real food with what is about to take place in the NT
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For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
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So they said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.” Notice, the Jews are still fixated on a free meal - and unwittingly ask for what Jesus is yearning to give them.
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17 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. Is this really any different from “I am the vine and you are the branches”? Christ appears to be comparing Himself to a common object: bread - and since they are focused on food that are moving right along with Him… but, something is not quite right here…! Here is the FIRST statement about Christ being food. Note: He does not say, My WORDS are food. Christ clearly is talking to a hungry crowd and He says He is food.
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But I told you that although you have seen (me), you do not believe. This is a reflection back to the earlier verse where Christ says you must believe in Him. And, Christ is quite aware of their un-belief.
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Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
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because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.
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And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it (on) the last day.
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For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day.” Here we have Christ re-enforcing the idea that seeing Him is just not enough - you must believe in Him because He is doing what the Father wants - and we are to follow Christ and the example He has set.

Continued

God bless

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Richard,

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The Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,” It is at this point that the Jews get the idea that they are not getting a free meal. They do not, at this time, understand what is going to unfold next - but, they can see Christ is not having them recline in groups of 50 as He did the day before when He fed them. They see that Christ is NOT bread and begin to complain.
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and they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” I always found it interesting that yesterday, when Christ fed 5,000 none of these freeloaders asked about Jesus’ origins and parents. So, their question is not an honest inquiry, but an insult meaning that since we know you (or, at think we know you) you can not be calling yourself “…the bread that camme down from heaven…”
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Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop murmuring among yourselves.
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No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
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It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. Christ is not putting up with their insults or nonsense - and tells them to shut up. At the very least, he has gone from an eager audience anticipating a free meal to a somewhat angry and still hungry one.
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Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father.
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Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. This is why SS and SF are so dangerous because the temptation is to take one verse and say, “This proves it – just believe and you have eternal life - Christ said so!” While it is true – you have to go along and read the rest of what He says – and, as we will see shortly, there is really more then just ‘believe”
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I am the bread of life. .” This is the SECOND reference to Jesus being food. And, again, note: crowd He is speaking to has not been fed. So, we have subtly moved from the Jews referencing manna to Christ telling them that it was His Father Who provided to now Christ tell the Jews that He is food. There is no shift in context: they have come to Jesus for a meal and He is providing them with the basis for all Eucharistic Celebrations.
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Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
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this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. ." Here is the distinction between physical food and what Christ is about to provide. Physical food does not give us eternal life – but this is what Christ is promising us. And since in the previous verse He has called Himself the “Bread of Life” this must be a different type of food that is being offered – a food for the soul.
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I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." ." This is the THIRD reference to Jesus being food – and note, the members of this crowd have not been fed. And the very argument about what is to be eaten is clearly answered – not words, but His Flesh. At the very least the Jews think they have misunderstood because they are not expecting anyone to say what Christ has just said. Is he promoting cannibalism on Himself? If this is the case the Jews would be convinced that He is insane.
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The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” ." And here is the argument. How can this be – and they ask this from the Man Who fed 5,000 people yesterday with a couple of loaves and fishes. Note, this is not a genuine inquiry to find out what Christ has said – but an insulting rejection phrased as a question. While it is easy for us to wonder about the Jews, many still ask this same question and think that have the answer already…

Continued
God bless

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Richard,

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Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. .” This is the FOURTH reference to Jesus being food. Christ has now raised the bar – they are no longer talking about a free meal, but their eternal salvation. There can be no doubt about what Christ is talking about to those gathered around Him – because He repeats Himself. I think this is where the ‘misunderstanding hypothesis’ breaks down. It is clear from the previous verses that the Jews are not accepting what Christ is saying. In addition to not accepting, the tone of the crowd is growing decidedly less welcoming. Christ is fully aware of this and, if this were a genuine misunderstanding, He would have corrected it now. Why? Because Christ is about to lose most of His Followers.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. ." This is the FIFTH reference to Christ being food. This is actually an ‘in-your-face’ type of statement. Notice there is no couching of words, no brief explanation to try and regain whatever positive attention that the crowd may have had and no back peddling over what has been said. The statement is being made again – and how can it be misunderstood?
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. ." This is the SIXTH reference to Jesus being food. And, just like the previous statement, Christ is not backing down. Christ is not saying, “Hey, I am only talking about my words and your understanding – not my Flesh!” That statement or anything like it never took place. Christ has drawn a line in the sand. Either you believe as He is now requiring or you don’t.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. ." This is the SEVENTH reference to Christ being food. Here we have Christ not making an offer, or giving the group an alternative approach – rather He is commanding them to EAT His Flesh – not to swallow a metaphor. This is a critical part of the text because He has hit the crowd with three rapid-fire statements that all reference Him being food and they must eat His Flesh and drink His blood.
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. ." This is the EIGHT reference to Jesus as food. While we are promised eternal life through Christ, we must believe what He has just said. If, like the Jews in these verses, we harden our hearts so that they will not see and will not hear – we will not live, and we have Christ’s word on that.
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This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever." ." This is the NINTH reference to Jesus being food. He is announcing to all that He came from heaven and those who eat of His Flesh will live while those who ate the manna have all died.
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These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
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Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” ." The Jews have effectively called Him crazy, rejected His message, and questioned the sanity of anyone who does accept it. Their mind is made up and they have rejected the message of Christ.
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Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you? .” But, the Jews who followed Him to Capernaum were not the only ones with belief issues. Here we can only imagine the shock of His Apostles when they heard Jesus utter these words.
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What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
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It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. ." Here we have the part you have been referencing – but, look where it falls. After all Jesus’s statements about eating His Flesh. Notice, He does not back down even with stunned look on the faces of His Apostles. There is not statement like, “That statement was for those guys, but, let me tell you what it is really like…!” Nope! That never happened – the Apostles are required – just like us – to actually believe in the words of Christ AND THEN follow them as commanded.
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But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
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And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
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As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. ." Here is the big exodus away from Christ BECAUSE they have rejected His doctrine – NOT because they have mis-understood. That is really the story there. But, it does have an encouraging ending – brought to us by the Leader of the Apostles – the one Christ build His Church on: Peter!
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Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
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Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. .” Had the Jews demonstrated faith in Christ because of the many signs that He provided that would have been one thing – but, they refused to acknowledge all previous sings – even from as recent as yesterday – and demand still more…
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We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God."
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Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
71 ." So here we have Peter speaking for the all but Judas who has suddenly rejected Jesus because of doctrine. This section in John is a watershed event in the life of Christ and in the lives of all who claim to be following Him.
He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve. ." So here we have Peter speaking for the all but Judas who has suddenly rejected Jesus because of doctrine. This section in John is a watershed event in the life of Christ and in the lives of all who claim to be following Him.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, ern42,

Wait no longer!

I realize that observing the Sabbath is very important to you. And, you know you are right! Yep! There is no verse in the Bible that specifically identifies that the Day of Worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday.

Of course you realize that not everything is written down -and St John tells us that quite clearly in John 21:25

There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.

So, now what do we do? Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath, He gave the power to Peter to bind and lose WHATEVER he wanted - and here you are, saying (almost like the ones who were challenging Christ to observe the Sabbath…) “Show me!” There is more to our Faith then the Bible we gave you and that is now in an abridged form. Think abou that for a minute.

Christ said we had to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood (John 6) and SDAs do not believe that

Christ said to the Apostles that they now had the delegated Power of God to forgive sins (John 20) and SDAs do not believe that

Chrsit said that Baptism is requried of His believers (John 3) and SDAs do not believe that.

So after you get finished with the “No Sabbath Change” found in Scripture, when will you move on the weighter parts of the NT?

God bless

I continue to state…
Give me a Bible verse in which God tells me he has officially changed Sabbath to Sunday! You can’t! Let me make it easy for you, you will NEVER find a Bible text that says that GOD has changed his holy Sabbath (4th commandment) to Sunday! NEVER!!!

All you do is talk talk and talk some more about man made philosophy yet I state facts using the Word of God, which you clearly DO NOT understand or just NO NOT ACCEPT!

If you are so sure of your faith, and doctrines, and you know SUNDAY is the official day of rest, that the “Apostals” changed. Once and for all, SHUT ME UP!!! I challange you or anyone to find the text were it states: SUNDAY IS NOW THE NEW DAY OF REST INSTEAD OF SABBATH!!!
God doesn’t change, his LAW (including the 4th commandment) doesn’t change. You change, the POPE changes, man changes, BUT GOD doesn’t change, he is the same GOD of Genesis as he is the same GOD of Revelation. You are so confused that you do not see the clearity of God’s message infront of you. It’s really sad that you choose to follow man made traditions versus GOD’s eternal law!

I was challenged and I answered, you’ve been challenged and do not answer, all you do is find excused and add more and more words, but still NOTHING from the Bible that specifically tell me that the 4th commandment has been officially changed by God to a new day of worship… Sunday!!!

Still waiting???

 

[happilycatholic]

Again, yes I can scripture is not ambiguous Jn 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This is pretty clear right? God, because of His love for us gives us (grace) His Son and all we have to do is accept it in faith. Doesn’t say anything here about communion or confession to a priest. The one thing that is brought out later is our announcement of that faith through baptism. This isn’t my opinion. I’m not making up some wild fabrication. This is what it says. If you have your own opinion or if your church’s opinion differs from this, lets here it.

 

[happilycatholic]

…continued (To Richard Kastner)

A pastor or any other man does not empart salvation to anyone. Salvation is emparted by God to us (grace) and we recieve it through faith. No third party is required. This is the supreme lie of the CC that is perpetrated on it’s members that a priest is required for an individuals salvation. Wise up HP. This is a relationship between you and God, no one else is required.

Well, if I want to be Baptized correctly a priest is required. Now in an emergency anyone will do, but that is not a perfect scenario. But do you know why that can happen? Because Grace comes from God and He chooses His Church to empart it, but since it does come from God, not man, He can use anyone He likes to get it done.

Now, again, by this scenario I could stumble upon Heaven in the end. Who wants to take that chance when I have Christ’s Church to lead me there? Because I know the correct way, if I choose not to accept God’s Grace through His Church then I am denying it. Bad idea.

Furthermore, no one is talking about emparting salvation. Where did this come from? Are you trying to confuse the issue with untruths? I’ll tell you something else, God makes His Grace available to all, especially unbelievers. This is where you are again, immature in your understanding of Scripture. Again, the first work of the Holy Spirit is conversion. God would not need to convert a believer now would He? So it is obvious that Grace is available to believers and unbelievers alike. We are moved by the Holy Spirit to accept it as well.

When you no longer equate Grace with Christ and salvation *only *and make it dependant upon faith only , you will be able to understand the Truth of Scripture on this matter. Until then, you are veiled by errant interpretation.

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Grace is the Gift of eternal life through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Any other definition is nonsense.

Eph. 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Again, one form of Grace called Eternal Life. There are many forms of Grace, hence Baptism, forgiveness of sins, is that not evidence of God’s Grace?

I’m starting to get the picture here. If said person equates Grace with Christ, then said person has only to say “I believe” and said person will be accepting God’s Grace.

Well, la de da. There are millions of people who do that. I thought those that will enter the Gates of Heaven will be few. By these standards we’re all getting in!

Scoot over St. Peter, it’s gonna get crowded up there!



God Bless You Richard!

HC

 

[Javl]

Do you have some point that you would like to discuss or are you here just to call names and just be generally annoying. Because if this is your intention. Go away.

Thank you, Richard, you have just proved my point.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[ern42]

And you result to casting stones as well? What did this accomplish?

Nothing but inform… Just like Mr. Paul likes to do. He thinks he can mock other faiths posting websites of, as he likes to call it… Catholic Fun. Well I don’t see much fun, when hundreds of priests have been accused of sexually abusing small boys and teenagers. Why mock or make fun of other faiths when many of your faith’s leaders are sexually abusing kids. Because we are all human beings, (EVERYONE INCLUDING THE POPE), we are all sinners. The only perfect ebing to walk this earth was Jesus and Jesus alone.
So now you know why Mr. Paul needs to be informed of his organizations short cummings. The truth hurts!!!

 

[ern42]

No the fact is, that if SATAN working through Constantine and the POPE (538A.D.) were the ones that tried to change God’s Holy day. Just because the Catholic Church has millions of followers all around the world and has been around since then, does not make their change of God’s law OK.

“And he shall think to change the times and the law.” Daniel 7:25, RSV.* “Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” “In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:6.

“Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane … and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.” “Therefore have I poured out my indignation upon them.” Ezekiel 22:26, 31.

In hiding your eyes from God’s true Sabbath, your religious leaders offend the God of heaven. God promises punishment for such false shepherds. Millions have been misled on this matter. God cannot treat it lightly. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for pretending to love God while making void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition (Mark 7:7-13).

So I would argue that your if it wouldn’t have been for SATAN you might be faithful worshipers of God’s true day.

By the way, is their anyone in the ROMAN Catholic Faith that can show me ONE Bible verse, that says, the SABBATH has been changed to SUNDAY! Please with all your knowledge of history, and being the true, and only church, their must be someone that can send me ONE verse? It’s been days now, and still nothing but excuses…

Love Ern…

 

[tqualey]

Hi, ern

Ah, the old Satan-Constantine-CC conspiracy theory… nothing like staying current, eh?

Look, before you get too carried away in this change of topic, go back to my post and those inconvenient … dare I say, embarrassing… questions. Check it out, post 189.

No the fact is, that if SATAN working through Constantine and the POPE (538A.D.) were the ones that tried to change God’s Holy day. Just because the Catholic Church has millions of followers all around the world and has been around since then, does not make their change of God’s law OK.

“And he shall think to change the times and the law.” Daniel 7:25, RSV.* “Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” “In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:6.

“Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane … and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.” “Therefore have I poured out my indignation upon them.” Ezekiel 22:26, 31.

In hiding your eyes from God’s true Sabbath, your religious leaders offend the God of heaven. God promises punishment for such false shepherds. Millions have been misled on this matter. God cannot treat it lightly. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for pretending to love God while making void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition (Mark 7:7-13).

So I would argue that your if it wouldn’t have been for SATAN you might be faithful worshipers of God’s true day.

By the way, is their anyone in the ROMAN Catholic Faith that can show me ONE Bible verse, that says, the SABBATH has been changed to SUNDAY! Please with all your knowledge of history, and being the true, and only church, their must be someone that can send me ONE verse? It’s been days now, and still nothing but excuses…

Love Ern…

Now, ern, it really seems that there is only ONE COMMANDMENT worth keeping, eh?

Oh, you really need to get the name straight, it is not ROMAN Catholic, or Roman Catholic or even RCC … it is the Catholic Church - and if had taken the time to read the response you got, you would see that I told you there was not one verse. But, guess what, it just doesn’t end there. But, you have to read.

God bless

 

[greggy53]

No the fact is, that if SATAN working through Constantine and the POPE (538A.D.) were the ones that tried to change God’s Holy day. Just because the Catholic Church has millions of followers all around the world and has been around since then, does not make their change of God’s law OK.

What evidence do you have for this “fact”? The fact is the Catholic Church was worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine legalized Christianity. There is ample written evidence for this. Indeed, their is evidence that the 1st century NT Christians worshiped on Sundays. John Begins his Revelation with “I was in the spirit on the Lords day” Don’t try that old ridiculous claim that he was speaking of the Sabbath. He was a Jew and if he had meant the Sabbath he would have said “I was in the spirit on the Sabbath” He didn’t because it was a Sunday, the day Christians worship their Risen Savior. What day of the week were all the Apostles gathered together when the Holy Spirit descended upon them in what we call the Pentecost??? SUNDAY. You have no evidence either in the scriptures or elsewhere, and no case to support your lies against the Catholic Church.

In hiding your eyes from God’s true Sabbath, your religious leaders offend the God of heaven. God promises punishment for such false shepherds. Millions have been misled on this matter. God cannot treat it lightly. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for pretending to love God while making void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition.So I would argue that your if it wouldn’t have been for SATAN you might be faithful worshipers of God’s true day.

We don’t hide from anything, and we didn’t change anything. The Sabbath is and always will be the Sabbath…Saturday. Jews worship on Saturday. Christians on the other hand worship on Sunday, the day our Lord Rose from the dead and we always have. By denying this You are denying God, and his son Jesus Christ. Satan has entered your hearts and twisted them into something hateful…There, how do you like someone calling you possessed by the devil?

By the way, is their anyone in the ROMAN Catholic Faith that can show me ONE Bible verse, that says, the SABBATH has been changed to SUNDAY! Please with all your knowledge of history, and being the true, and only church, their must be someone that can send me ONE verse? It’s been days now, and still nothing but excuses…

How could we do such a thing? You can’t change a day of the week. The Sabbath is Saturday always has been and always will be. Christians worship on Sunday it’s in the scriputures.

 

[ern42]

Image that, I’m lacking depth of understanding, yet you can produce ONE simple Bible verse. All you can do is go by what a priest tells you. Can’t you reason for yourself? It’s ashame how you let puppetiers move your strings.

In my home, we obey God’s commandments, not man made ones.

Still waiting!!!

 

[tqualey]

Hey, ern42,

Are you taunting the posters with this anti-Catholic dribble and chant about still waiting?

Image that, I’m lacking depth of understanding, yet you can produce ONE simple Bible verse. All you can do is go by what a priest tells you. Can’t you reason for yourself? It’s ashame how you let puppetiers move your strings.

In my home, we obey God’s commandments, not man made ones.

Still waiting!!!

Maybe it is time you moved on to another topic or, if you insist on ‘waiting’ then be constructive and resond to the challenge I gave you in my post? But, whatever you do, please do it with a spirit of charity - what you have been demonstrating seems a bit torn and threadbare from here.

God bless

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Greggy,

From what I have seen, your posts are right on target. The problem seems to be that the target is rather hollow…

What evidence do you have for this “fact”? The fact is the Catholic Church was worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine legalized Christianity. There is ample written evidence for this. Indeed, their is evidence that the 1st century NT Christians worshiped on Sundays. John Begins his Revelation with “I was in the spirit on the Lords day” Don’t try that old ridiculous claim that he was speaking of the Sabbath. He was a Jew and if he had meant the Sabbath he would have said “I was in the spirit on the Sabbath” He didn’t because it was a Sunday, the day Christians worship their Risen Savior. What day of the week were all the Apostles gathered together when the Holy Spirit descended upon them in what we call the Pentecost??? SUNDAY. You have no evidence either in the scriptures or elsewhere, and no case to support your lies against the Catholic Church.

We don’t hide from anything, and we didn’t change anything. The Sabbath is and always will be the Sabbath…Saturday. Jews worship on Saturday. Christians on the other hand worship on Sunday, the day our Lord Rose from the dead and we always have. By denying this You are denying God, and his son Jesus Christ. Satan has entered your hearts and twisted them into something hateful…There, how do you like someone calling you possessed by the devil?

How could we do such a thing? You can’t change a day of the week. The Sabbath is Saturday always has been and always will be. Christians worship on Sunday it’s in the scriputures.

God bless