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greggy53
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I for one think that happilyCatholic is right on the money…Keep up the good work!
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happilycatholic
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Here’s the thing, SDAs count on the belief that the catholic Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. Okay. So what. Don’t be catholic if that’s what you believe.
Catholics on the other hand don’t worship on the Sabbath because we are Christian. Jews don’t worhip on Sundays because they are Jews.
It seems to me that the only ones who are confused are those Christians still worshipping our Lord and Savior on the Sabbath. They’ve even gone so far as to fashion the Sabbath in such a way to “fit” Christian worship. The Sabbath was not created to commemorate the Eucharist, which is what our Lord asked us to do. He asked us to “Do this in memory of me”. The Sabbath cannot be fashioned into a memorial for the Creation of Eternal Life brought about by the death and resurrection of Christ.
Those that continue to “keep” the Sabbath and those who believe they are keeping the Sabbath by celebrating “The Sabbath According to Bates and White” are basically turning down redemption and denying Christ’s coming, His death, and His resurrection.
As for me:
Joshua 24:15
Catholics on the other hand don’t worship on the Sabbath because we are Christian. Jews don’t worhip on Sundays because they are Jews.
It seems to me that the only ones who are confused are those Christians still worshipping our Lord and Savior on the Sabbath. They’ve even gone so far as to fashion the Sabbath in such a way to “fit” Christian worship. The Sabbath was not created to commemorate the Eucharist, which is what our Lord asked us to do. He asked us to “Do this in memory of me”. The Sabbath cannot be fashioned into a memorial for the Creation of Eternal Life brought about by the death and resurrection of Christ.
Those that continue to “keep” the Sabbath and those who believe they are keeping the Sabbath by celebrating “The Sabbath According to Bates and White” are basically turning down redemption and denying Christ’s coming, His death, and His resurrection.
As for me:
Joshua 24:15
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happilycatholic
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I for one appreciate the yank on my chain. However, if I am in the least bit guided in my endeavors as a Christian, it is completely and entirely by the Holy Spirit and those acting upon Christ’s authority as He set forth in Scripture.Hi, HC,
I’ve got a problem…
While there is no doubt about ern’s orientation, education and ability to work scripture, his degrading approach to his own posts and his treatment of others posters is starting to stand out. Civility is taking a beating - at least in my opinion … and, maybe it is impacting on us posters.
This individual has effectively shot his wad, he has nothing further that add - only continue to repeat himself and try to humilitate the CC for the actions of sinful clerics. While Bates and While have long since been judged by God - evidence of their activities and and misadventures are public knowledge - I see no reason to call them names. (And, yes, I know, this is just a repeat of ern’s demonstrated ability with the English language…) But, I think this is taking us off course, and it certainly is not improving our development of practicing charity. And, I think I have taken a hit here, too.
After some consideration, I have decided to let ern continue his ravings without any help from me. He can wait until hell freezes over… he can even hold his breath if he thinks this will speed things up…
God bless
If you believe that Ms. White and Mr. Bates need defense from my post, you may consider the Holy Spirit damaged by my comment as well.
I clearly stated, He is my puppetier. Somehow, I don’t think he would mind.
The fact of the matter is, if we are going to speak of those that founded our Church then we must speak of those who founded SDAism. One cannot get around it, especially if you are considering them leaders.
My intention was not to be uncharitable.
God Bless You,
HC
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greggy53
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We need to remember that the entire premise of the SDA theology is based on the Catholic Church being evil, and corrupted. Not just that we are wrong. When they attack us we need to respond. The only ones I see here being uncharitable are some of the SDAs. Their entire doctrine is uncharitable toward other Christians in general and Catholics in particular.
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happilycatholic
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ern (or anyone else):
I still have not gotten answer to either of the questions I find important:
1.) Where is the redeeming power *and/or the promise of eternal life *of the Sabbath mentioned in Scripture?
2.) Where in Scripture does Christ call upon us (Jews or Gentiles) to remember Him in the Sabbath?
3.) Why does He tell us specifially how to remember Him? (John 6:53-59) (Matt. 26:26-28)
I think it’s only fair that these questions should be answered. We’ve answered ern’s question:
The Church did not change the Sabbath. The Sabbath is still being celebrated on Saturday by lots and lots of Jews. The Sabbath is still alive and well and being celebrated.
Blessings,
HC
I still have not gotten answer to either of the questions I find important:
1.) Where is the redeeming power *and/or the promise of eternal life *of the Sabbath mentioned in Scripture?
2.) Where in Scripture does Christ call upon us (Jews or Gentiles) to remember Him in the Sabbath?
3.) Why does He tell us specifially how to remember Him? (John 6:53-59) (Matt. 26:26-28)
I think it’s only fair that these questions should be answered. We’ve answered ern’s question:
The Church did not change the Sabbath. The Sabbath is still being celebrated on Saturday by lots and lots of Jews. The Sabbath is still alive and well and being celebrated.
Blessings,
HC
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Hello t
I must say that I have talked with many Catholics about Jn.6, but I have never had anyone go verse by verse in such a well thought out and comprehensive manner. Your efforts are appreciated, however I feel your conclusions are erroneous primarily because of some unwarranted assumptions on your part. I have started with your third page because I see no reason to go over the whole chapter again and most of these,(what I consider erroneous) assumptions are on this page. I reserve the right to reference them, however. So, lets get started.
34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
What is it that they believed not. Is it not His WORDS.
Jesus says that the bread of God is He which commeth down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. So, how does Jesus give life to the world. Is it not through His WORDS.
Jn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Jn 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jn8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Jn1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us
Luke4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
The bread that comes from God is the WORD OF GOD. The whole point of the stories of Jesus feeding the crowds in the synoptic gospels and here in Jn.6 is to show that Jesus the bread of life gives that life to us through His WORD. You know Jesus prayed in His great prayer of Jn17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Well, whose words were they speaking? Was it not Jesus’ words?This idea is brought out in all the gospels through the dispensation of bread
Matt14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
Mark6:37He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat?
Luke 9:13But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this
Jesus alway took the bread blessed it and gave it to His disciples to give to the people. This is symbolic of His word going to all the world through His disciples.
Matt.13:10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
He did not call them back because “this people’s heart is waxed gross,”
becomes Jesus. Well, this is just not true. I am positive that if you did a chemical analysis of the host before and after consecration you would find that nothing had changed that the peice of bread was still bread. So, the very thing that you say Jesus is talking about literally requires a symbolic leap of faith.
I think I need to post now. I agree with you. These posts get more involved than originally intended, but worthwhile in that we are in God’s word and therefore in Jesus. Jn.17:23
I (The Word) in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Emphasis mine.
I must say that I have talked with many Catholics about Jn.6, but I have never had anyone go verse by verse in such a well thought out and comprehensive manner. Your efforts are appreciated, however I feel your conclusions are erroneous primarily because of some unwarranted assumptions on your part. I have started with your third page because I see no reason to go over the whole chapter again and most of these,(what I consider erroneous) assumptions are on this page. I reserve the right to reference them, however. So, lets get started.
In reference to v. 53 you say “Christ has now raised the bar – they are no longer talking about a free meal, but their eternal salvation.” Well first off the only one talking here is Jesus. They do not say anything and second Jesus is still talking about their salvation which is what Jesus always talks about it was never about food for Their physical bodies, but about spiritual food (His words unto eternal life.)
There is no doubt to me, but I don’t think that you get it yet. Lets back up a bit.Jn 6: 33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
What is it that they believed not. Is it not His WORDS.
Jesus says that the bread of God is He which commeth down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. So, how does Jesus give life to the world. Is it not through His WORDS.
Jn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Jn 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jn8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Jn1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us
Luke4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
The bread that comes from God is the WORD OF GOD. The whole point of the stories of Jesus feeding the crowds in the synoptic gospels and here in Jn.6 is to show that Jesus the bread of life gives that life to us through His WORD. You know Jesus prayed in His great prayer of Jn17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Well, whose words were they speaking? Was it not Jesus’ words?This idea is brought out in all the gospels through the dispensation of bread
Matt14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
Mark6:37He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat?
Luke 9:13But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this
Jesus alway took the bread blessed it and gave it to His disciples to give to the people. This is symbolic of His word going to all the world through His disciples.
Do you think that Jesus was not aware that they were going to leave? Of coarse He was. I don’t think that Jesus was preaching to this crowd at all. He is preaching to you and me. He did not attempt to bring them back, because He knew their hearts. This was a common device of Jesus and was used to weed out the unbelivers.
Matt.13:10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
He did not call them back because “this people’s heart is waxed gross,”
He is saying that we must believe what He is saying (His WORDS). It certainly is not that we literally eat His flesh. I know that your church teaches that this peice of bread actually
becomes Jesus. Well, this is just not true. I am positive that if you did a chemical analysis of the host before and after consecration you would find that nothing had changed that the peice of bread was still bread. So, the very thing that you say Jesus is talking about literally requires a symbolic leap of faith.
I think I need to post now. I agree with you. These posts get more involved than originally intended, but worthwhile in that we are in God’s word and therefore in Jesus. Jn.17:23
I (The Word) in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Emphasis mine.
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greggy53
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We can throw scriptures at each other until we are blue in the face but we are going to get nowhere. Why? Because the SDA believe they have the correct interpretation of scriptures and the Catholics do not. In my opinion it all comes down who has the authority to interpret scriptures. In other words, before I throw away my rosary and holy water and join up with the SDA (or any other outfit for that matter) They are going to have to demonstrate that they have this authority from God above every other denomination. Not the individual, a Church. Why? Because 10 men can read the same scripture and walk away with 10 different interpretations while all claiming to have the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It happens all the time. They can’t all be right.
So, it must be that God has given that authority to a Church. Thus far the Catholic Church has demonstrated to my satisfaction that they have that authority via the scriptures and Apostolic succession. Historically they have demonstrated that their authority comes directly from Jesus. The way I look at it the burden of proof is now on the SDA to demonstrate that the Catholic Church:
So, it must be that God has given that authority to a Church. Thus far the Catholic Church has demonstrated to my satisfaction that they have that authority via the scriptures and Apostolic succession. Historically they have demonstrated that their authority comes directly from Jesus. The way I look at it the burden of proof is now on the SDA to demonstrate that the Catholic Church:
- Never had that authority, or
- Had that authority and lost it at some specific point in time. I’m going to need solid historical evidence for either case. Good luck with that.
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happilycatholic
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All of this is fine, but what you fail to realize is that Jesus did not give us a “symbol” to remember Him. He gave us Bread and Wine and said, “Take this and
it, it is my Blood, itwill be given up for you”. Take this and eat it, it is my Body, it will be given up for you.
“Do this in memory of me”.
Christ is obviously not talking symbolically. Why would He have His Apostles actually take it and eat it. They are clearly performing a ritual. Then Christ tells them to continue to do it in His Name.
Christ had, at this point, already made it clear that He is “the bread of life”. Why would He now use *actual *bread? Because He meant it. Why did He not just reiterate that He is the spiritual manna? Why now, why this way? Because He meant it. Why make them *eat *it? Why not just say this bread represents my Body and this wine represents my Blood? Because He wanted us to *partake of Him, the Word. The living Manna. *Not some inantimate form of Him.
He is alive. He was alive then and He is alive now and we don’t use some *dead *symbol to remember Him.
You can if you like, not I. Christ meant what He said. You can interpret it any way your conscience allows you to. Mine won’t allow me to believe anything but Christ is alive today as He was alive at Passover and He should be remembered in the way that He asks.
Blessings,
HC
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happilycatholic
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I agree.
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happilycatholic
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There are two times in Scripture when the Holy Spirit gave us Bread from Heaven. One, the first, was a foreshadowing of the other. The Manna from Heaven was *real *and it was given to nourish the body. Christ, who also says He is the Manna, was real and was meant to nourish our souls.
These two events are not exclusive of one another. Both were life-giving to God’s people. Christ said that both are remedies for starvation, one of the body and one of the soul.
Why would you accept the one and not the other? Why would God mean for us to eat one and not the other. The Holy Spirit sent the Manna to be eaten. If we do not eat it, we do not survive.
It’s not rocket science. This one is a no-brainer.
These two events are not exclusive of one another. Both were life-giving to God’s people. Christ said that both are remedies for starvation, one of the body and one of the soul.
Why would you accept the one and not the other? Why would God mean for us to eat one and not the other. The Holy Spirit sent the Manna to be eaten. If we do not eat it, we do not survive.
It’s not rocket science. This one is a no-brainer.
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tqualey
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Hi, Greggy53,
While I, too, agreee … I find you a bit stingy …
… 10? Only 10? Why not the 30,000+ denominations, sects, cults, gatherings, fellowships and conventions that all claim the Holy Spirit is leading them to make their own interpretation - and all generalting different and contradictory views? 
. But, there is no argument with the content - everyone claiming Divine Inspiration…and trampling on the other guy’s church for heresy that does not agree with the first guy’s reading! Truly, if ever there was an obvious glitch in the SS or SF arguments it is this. And, Christ clearly identified this when He said, “By their fruits you will know them” (Matt 7:16)
God bless
While I, too, agreee … I find you a bit stingy …
… 10? Only 10? Why not the 30,000+ denominations, sects, cults, gatherings, fellowships and conventions that all claim the Holy Spirit is leading them to make their own interpretation - and all generalting different and contradictory views? Yes, I think you need to ‘tweak’ your numbers just a bit…
. But, there is no argument with the content - everyone claiming Divine Inspiration…and trampling on the other guy’s church for heresy that does not agree with the first guy’s reading! Truly, if ever there was an obvious glitch in the SS or SF arguments it is this. And, Christ clearly identified this when He said, “By their fruits you will know them” (Matt 7:16)God bless
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greggy53
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I am still waiting for your answer. Because you claim that the holy spirit guides your interpretation of scriptures. Do you then maintian that your interpretation of scripture is infallible?
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ern42
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Dear Paul,
Apology accepted, and I also want you to know that I do not mean any disrespect to you and further more if you fell I have disrespected you I also apologize. It truely isn’t my intention to hurt or upset anyone. It was very Christian of you to write what you wrote, and it tells me that I’m speaking with a person that is truely accepts scripture. That was a beautiful verse you quoted.
I hope you can just read my many quotes (my statements), with an open mind… And again, I apologize if in any way shape or form you feel I disrespected you.
My God bless you my brother, and keep you safe.
Your Brother Ern!
Apology accepted, and I also want you to know that I do not mean any disrespect to you and further more if you fell I have disrespected you I also apologize. It truely isn’t my intention to hurt or upset anyone. It was very Christian of you to write what you wrote, and it tells me that I’m speaking with a person that is truely accepts scripture. That was a beautiful verse you quoted.
I hope you can just read my many quotes (my statements), with an open mind… And again, I apologize if in any way shape or form you feel I disrespected you.
My God bless you my brother, and keep you safe.
Your Brother Ern!
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happilycatholic
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Did the OP ever get her questions answered?
I feel bad.
While we’ve been arguing over the Eucharist (clearly not SDA) and papal infallibilty (also not SDA), and other catholic beliefs, I’ve just realized that the OP may not have gotten her original question answered, which was what are some of the SDA beliefs.
Or maybe she did
I feel bad.
While we’ve been arguing over the Eucharist (clearly not SDA) and papal infallibilty (also not SDA), and other catholic beliefs, I’ve just realized that the OP may not have gotten her original question answered, which was what are some of the SDA beliefs.
Or maybe she did
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Javl
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May I be so bold as to insert a couple of comments here?
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
- The early Church Fathers included the Apostles and their successors who knew and were taught by the Apostles, including St. Paul. They were the originators of Sunday gatherings to commemorate Christ’s rising form the dead and to celebrate the Agape
( Eucharist, Communion ) as request by Christ. - The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion. I am sure that he has tried to guide each of those that claim to be guided by Him, but they most certainly did not listen, for we have over 30,000 documented Christian churches and who knows how many more that are undocumented. The Catholic Church is the ONLY one that has listened to the Holy Spirit for the past 2000 years, for it teaches today exactly what Jesus Christ and the Apostles taught. It is THE ONLY ONE with full authority from Jesus to teach and interpret scripture, and it cannot be proven otherwise.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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ern42
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I respect the way you present your opinion. I also agree that many different people have their own interpretations of the Bible. My argument is almost a mirrior image of your statement. You see I also feel that many people interprete the Bible wrong. They might feel in their hearts that they are doing God’s will, yet their actions say something that is totally oposite of that. The same with churches. A particular church doesn’t save anyone. It doesn’t matter the traditions of the church or how old or new it truely is, or what country it was formed in. The important thing we all need to ask ourselves, is: I’M I TRUELY DOING GOD’S WILL? I’M I FOLLOWING HIS TEACHINGS? I’M I KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS, TO THE LETTER ACCOURDING TO HIS HOLY SCRIPTURE?
That’s when you have so many different versions. Becasue some think it’s right to keep the Sabbath as God’s holy day, yet others say no, not Sabbath it’s Sunday, because…and they give their excuse. Some might say we don’t believe in life after death, yet some might say, well we do…and just as you stated…You have a million diffferent people thinking a million different things. That my friend is what I call CONFUSION, and the Lord is anything but a confusing source. That’s why we should never follow man made traditions or customs. We should look for guidedance in the Lord Words, which were passed down from generation to generation by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.
I personally try to base any dicision I make, on wheather or not it’s based in the Bible. To go by history alone, or by tradition alone without including the word of God, will only bring confusion.
I totally agree with the verse “By their fruits you will know them”] and would like to add a question and some additional verses that I think go hand in hand with Matt. 7:16
Will any be lost who truly think they are saved? (Matthew 7:21 )
Yes! Matthew 7:21-23 makes it clear that many who prophesy, cast out devils, and do many wonderful works in Christ’s name will be lost but will think they are saved. Christ said they are lost because they did not do “the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Verse 21. Those who refuse to obey God will end up believing a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12) and thus think they are saved when instead they are lost.
Wish you the very best, Love Ern.
That’s when you have so many different versions. Becasue some think it’s right to keep the Sabbath as God’s holy day, yet others say no, not Sabbath it’s Sunday, because…and they give their excuse. Some might say we don’t believe in life after death, yet some might say, well we do…and just as you stated…You have a million diffferent people thinking a million different things. That my friend is what I call CONFUSION, and the Lord is anything but a confusing source. That’s why we should never follow man made traditions or customs. We should look for guidedance in the Lord Words, which were passed down from generation to generation by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.
I personally try to base any dicision I make, on wheather or not it’s based in the Bible. To go by history alone, or by tradition alone without including the word of God, will only bring confusion.
I totally agree with the verse “By their fruits you will know them”] and would like to add a question and some additional verses that I think go hand in hand with Matt. 7:16
Will any be lost who truly think they are saved? (Matthew 7:21 )
Yes! Matthew 7:21-23 makes it clear that many who prophesy, cast out devils, and do many wonderful works in Christ’s name will be lost but will think they are saved. Christ said they are lost because they did not do “the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Verse 21. Those who refuse to obey God will end up believing a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12) and thus think they are saved when instead they are lost.
Wish you the very best, Love Ern.
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ern42
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I feel the way you do. Their is nothing in this world that can describe the feeling of being at peace with the Lord. Knowing that you are saved, not becasue you did or are doing anyhting for your salvation, but because Christ died for you. By excepting his sacrifice, I’m excepting him into my heart. Know what ever I do, I do because I love him and want to obey his commandments and follow in his footsteps. To obey God for me isn’t a burden, in fact it’s freedom.
Good luck always.
Good luck always.
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Javl
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My Brother in Christ em42:
I admire and respect you for your belief and faith and I agree with you on many of your points, but did not Jesus say that He came to fulfill the Law and did fulfill it, and that He gave us a new law?
Do not, we “Gentiles” have a new covenant with Him? The Jews that rejected Him are “cursed under the Law” and thus will be judged by the Law. Therefore I believe, by Jesus words, that you who live by the old Law, will also be judged by it.
God Bless.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
P.S. as an aside: the Bible that you so carefully use was given you by the Catholic Church.
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greggy53
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ern42 I am still waiting for your answer. Because you claim that the holy spirit guides your interpretation of scriptures. Do you then maintian that your interpretation of scripture is infallible?
You were very instistant on your question concerning the Sabbath and we answered as best as we could. How about it?
You were very instistant on your question concerning the Sabbath and we answered as best as we could. How about it?
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