SEX; evil, sin and just plan bad! - or - Celebacy; good and pure! Amen

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Zundrah said:
I thought so, you don’t know the bible verse do you? Never mind, i wont think any less of you for it. 😉 Bless
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And once more, you refuse to answer the question. Make no mistake, nobody here is fooled.
 
Seatuck said:
Husbands and wives make promises to each other in their marriage vows . They basically give their bodies to each other. It is a loving thing. Now I understand you have issues with sex because of your past but you are going to have to separate your experiences from what God intends for marriage in order to understand scriptures such as that. Child abuse is not supposed to happen. The giving of each other in marital union in marriage is supposed to happen. One is evil and one is not.
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Thank you for your tender responce, but having to be forced to “give your self” to your partner even if you want to say no sounds very evil to me (on womens behalf of the situation anyway)…
 
Zundrah said:
…I know enough about it, enough for anyone to see that it is very simple; The eucharist is all that makes you catholic!

Eating a wafer = Catholic.
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And here you go again, making RUDE and incendiary remarks that are insulting to Catholics, not to mention UNTRUE.

This is why people do not take you seriously. I am in that camp. I think you have serious problems.
 
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Zundrah:
I just had this idea that if everyone just didn’t have any children then when this generation finally ends we will finally have ended the whole “fall of man” thing… We would all be with God and this earthly cycle of pain and grief would all be over. It’s just a painless way to end our despair.
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Zundrah, I’m very confused. Do you really have such a horrific view of sex? I’m male, I have a sex drive, but that’s not evil. Recently you’ve really been confusing me…
 
Zundrah, have you thought about trying to get some mental help? I only say that because, after reading your posts here, it sounds like you were possibly raped. If that is the case then I can definitely see how your view of sex is tainted. Maybe talking to a psychiatrist would help you?

And I don’t mean for this to sound uncharitable, but regardless of if you were raped or not perhaps you should seek out some type of therapy anyway?
 
Zundrah said:
?.. I am not catholic.
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That’s part of the point I was making. There is a stereotype among non-Catholics in that they believe Catholics look at sex as evil - when in fact Catholics believe it is quite wonderful in the proper context.
 
Let’s put this in bullets. Maybe it will help.
  1. Sex between husband and wife is a holy and beautiful experience. If one feels tha they cannot give themselves to a spouse, then they do not have a call to mariage. In marriage, spouses give themselvs to each other voluntarilly. They entered into the marriage with the intention of giving their whole self to their partner.
  2. Sex between those who are not married is not ok. I won’t go into a long explanation why it’s not. Suffice it to say that sex is not a game. If two people want to have fun, they should play sports, visit a museaum, go the the beach, get together with friends, etc.
  3. Rape is not sex. Rape is violence against another person. The only thing it has in common with sex is that it involves the sexual organs. But the rappist does not get sexual pleasure out of rape. The rappist feels control and releases his or her hatred and anger against the world by subduing another person and violating them. It’s not a sexual thrill, but a form of sadism. The victim of rape is not guilty of anything.
Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Zundrah said:
Thank you for your tender responce, but having to be forced to “give your self” to your partner even if you want to say no sounds very evil to me (on womens behalf of the situation anyway)…
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Well, rape is never permitted but the couple should be discussing the need for the marital act and yes in some cases submit even if they aren’t in the mood. This includes men.

I hope/pray that you can get some good counseling to help with your disordered feelings and thoughts about the holy, sacramental meaning of the marital act. Work on your belief in the Eucharist. The Eucharist is one of the ways that Christ heals us from all manner of illness. Please try to take better care with some of your remarks on the Eucharist. As you can see they can insult and hurt the readers hear.
 
Lorrie said:
Zundrah, have you thought about trying to get some mental help? I only say that because, after reading your posts here, it sounds like you were possibly raped. If that is the case then I can definitely see how your view of sex is tainted. Maybe talking to a psychiatrist would help you?

And I don’t mean for this to sound uncharitable, but regardless of if you were raped or not perhaps you should seek out some type of therapy anyway?
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Lorie, I have already seen a psychiatrist, it didn 't help me. I was going to it shortly after statement was made, but it didn’t help.
 
judechild said:
Zundrah, I’m very confused. Do you really have such a horrific view of sex? I’m male, I have a sex drive, but that’s not evil. Recently you’ve really been confusing me…
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I do have a bad view of men, I will be honest, I have reason to. But that is my own problem, so don’t let it confuse you.
 
1ke said:
And here you go again, making RUDE and incendiary remarks that are insulting to Catholics, not to mention UNTRUE.

This is why people do not take you seriously. I am in that camp. I think you have serious problems.
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And your point is? 🤷
 
Zundrah, please read Theology of the Body for Beginners by Christopher West.
The title of your thread worries me. Those words do not echo God’s words at all. God created sex, not satan. Satan merely fooled many into thinking it is something other than what God intended. To make it evil is too give satan too much power.
 
1ke said:
And here you go again, making RUDE and incendiary remarks that are insulting to Catholics, not to mention UNTRUE.

This is why people do not take you seriously. I am in that camp. I think you have serious problems.
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…go ahead and believe your own lies. PERSONALY; if I thought that someone was a troll I wouldn’t bother posting to them, so why don’t you just go find your entertainment some where else?
 
MercyMia said:
Zundrah, please read Theology of the Body for Beginners by Christopher West.
The title of your thread worries me. Those words do not echo God’s words at all. God created sex, not satan. Satan merely fooled many into thinking it is something other than what God intended. To make it evil is too give satan too much power.
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But my main point is about the scripture which says that you must not with hold your self from your partner. This is what I call abuse. If a woman wants to say no, she should be able to say no. Don’t you agree with that?
 
If a woman wants it and her husband does not but he goes along anyways to please her, and to take part in the “renewal of their vows” would you call this abuse? Or would you call it a loving, self-sacrifice?
 
Zundrah said:
Sex or celebacy? What do you choose?

I already know what most of you men are going to say!

I choose celebacy, so did Christ…
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I choose sex.
Why? Cuz I wanna get married.
Why I wanna get married? Cuz seeing how lonely I am makes every single second of my life feel like a cold day in hell. I’m not sure how I’d last if I’d have to put up with that for the rest of my life.
 
MercyMia said:
If a woman wants it and her husband does not but he goes along anyways to please her, and to take part in the “renewal of their vows” would you call this abuse? Or would you call it a loving, self-sacrifice?
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Good point.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
I choose sex.
Why? Cuz I wanna get married.
Why I wanna get married? Cuz seeing how lonely I am makes every single second of my life feel like a cold day in hell. I’m not sure how I’d last if I’d have to put up with that for the rest of my life.
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Shut up, you emo loser.
 
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