sexual abuse by protestant ministers

[twopekinguys]

I am going to assume that you don’t, Two. To say “We are on the same boat” does not mean “We are guilty of the same thing.” It would be more apt to put it as “What effects you effects both of us.” Since I have clarified myself many times, you have absolutely no reason to continue these tiresome and paranoid accusations of yours.

Just to cover my bases, if you, Catholics, have not personally engaged in the above listed behaviors to the abuse scandals, then I apologize and clarify that I never intended to accuse you of anything.

If you, like Two here, have done so, then my comments still stand.

Zach

And yet, you still miss the point of the thread, no matter how many times it has been explained to you.

You also fail to answer the questions posed to you. You have clarified nothing.

You are really laughable, and just keep embarassing yourself more and more with each post.

Please answer the questions posed to you.

 

[twopekinguys]

Do you know what it means to dodge the questions you’ve been asked?

 

[Hiskid1973]

And yet, you still miss the point of the thread, no matter how many times it has been explained to you.

You also fail to answer the questions posed to you. You have clarified nothing.

You are really laughable, and just keep embarassing yourself more and more with each post.

Please answer the questions posed to you.

OK you two…Take a break…

 

[twopekinguys]

I’m sorry, but do you even read what you write?

Your initial post on this thread was addressed “Dear Catholics”, then you go on to accuse Catholics of “Blaming gays, deflecting attention onto Protestants, blaming the victims”.

That is not only wrong, but it is malicious.

Not to mention, you signed your post “Episcopalians”. What are you the Archbishop of Cantebury? Are you speaking for all Episcopalians?

Now comes the laughable part. That is where you state, “I am basically saying we Catholics and Episcopalians are in the same boat.”

**Explain to me exactly how your original post could even remotely be construed as you talking about both churches. By the way, I asked you to explain this earlier, and you have never done so.**Then somehow you think that the way the Catholic church deals with something is going to affect the Episcopal Church. If the Episcopal church was in the headlines the way the Catholic Church is right now, I might see a connection, but unfortunately that isn’t the case now is it? Aren’t the leaders of the Episcopal church able to take their own stance on issues?

Your comments, “So far as the world is concerned, we are One Church under One Christ”, and “quit it with the finger pointing to the protestants. It just makes you look bad” are a major contradiction. On one hand you’re saying people think we are the same, and on the other hand you’re distancing yourself as a protestant. Which is it?

I will always defend the Church against unfounded and malicious attacks such as yours, so be prepared for it.

Just in case you overlooked them.

 

[twopekinguys]

OK you two…Take a break…

hehehe

 

[Zach82]

Trust me, Two, I would like nothing more than for this thread to be back on track. However, the questions you have posed continue to be grounded in your general lack of comprehension as to what I am saying. I have clarified myself many times, and I even apologized for the sort-of generalization I made. That you continue to accuse me of rabid Anti-Catholicism and malice is quite astounding to me.

Zach

 

[twopekinguys]

This is completely ridiculous. I was very clearly talking about how the Catholic hierarchy was handling the situation and never once blamed Catholics for pedophilia. Of the specific reactions I listed, I suppose you have used one I should add.

“Crying ‘Anti-Catholicism!’ whenever issues are mentioned.”

Zach

Funny how it took you less that 25 posts on CAF to play the “anti-episcopalian” card.

Is actually seem that he is anti-Episcopalian and he is on the attack. Episcopalians keep saying that his perceptions of the Episcopal Church are wrong, and he keeps ranting about how we’re all gay, baby-killing pagans.

Zach

 

[twopekinguys]

Trust me, Two, I would like nothing more than for this thread to be back on track. However, the questions you have posed continue to be grounded in your general lack of comprehension as to what I am saying. I have clarified myself many times, and I even apologized for the sort-of generalization I made. That you continue to accuse me of rabid Anti-Catholicism and malice is quite astounding to me.

Zach

Where exactly did you clarify that your initital post on this thread that was addressed “Dear Catholics” was really meant to address both churches?

Show me the post.

If you would like this thread to be back on topic, why did you drag it off topic with your post? This thread is about protestant ministers, and not the way the Catholic church is handling anything? You are the one who has dragged it off topic at this point.

 

[Zach82]

Forget it, Two.

Zach

 

[twopekinguys]

Does that mean you can’t show your clarification?

 

[humble_maid]

Hopefully no one is praying TO the Pope…

Whatever do you mean by this?

 

[rev_kevin]

I noticed something. A day before this was posted there was a post about the priests molesting children. Now that post has been take off and this one is still on. Why? Is there a double standard. We don’t want a discussion about what the priests done but its alright of discuss what protestant ministers have done. Lets slam the protestant ministers but not the priests. Seems like a double standard to me.

 

[twopekinguys]

I noticed something. A day before this was posted there was a post about the priests molesting children. Now that post has been take off and this one is still on. Why? Is there a double standard. We don’t want a discussion about what the priests done but its alright of discuss what protestant ministers have done. Lets slam the protestant ministers but not the priests. Seems like a double standard to me.

That would be something to ask the moderators directly.

 

[josie_L]

Hopefully no one is praying TO the Pope…

I believe what humblemaid meant is that we should pray for the Pope.

 

[eucharisteo]

I noticed something. A day before this was posted there was a post about the priests molesting children. Now that post has been take off and this one is still on. Why? Is there a double standard. We don’t want a discussion about what the priests done but its alright of discuss what protestant ministers have done. Lets slam the protestant ministers but not the priests. Seems like a double standard to me.

Most likely it was going south and this is the non-Catholic thread. Don’t know. But I’m not fond of some of the moderator’s decisions. I do believe they make us look foolish sometimes, but they do mean well, I hope.

This problem is not a Catholic problem this problem is truly a Catholic problem because in my view all of us are God’s children and therefore we are all Catholic whether we realize it or not.

 

[rev_kevin]

Most likely it was going south and this is the non-Catholic thread. Don’t know. But I’m not fond of some of the moderator’s decisions. I do believe they make us look foolish sometimes, but they do mean well, I hope.
True but it seem unfair to me.

This problem is not a Catholic problem this problem is truly a Catholic problem because in my view all of us are God’s children and therefore we are all Catholic whether we realize it or not.

Ya know this makes sence if you look at it as universal because God is universal and we all are children of God.

 

[jen_fla]

hello all. sorry i’ve been neglecting the forum for a bit. i am trying to find work and should not be on here at all, but i will make a few quick comments.

i am asking for some members to really try to make a better effort to actually read though and understand the comments. this is a painful topic and does bring up difficult emotion and apparently much bias, but as a woman herself who has been a victim of multiple sexual and violent crimes throughout my life, i know what’s at stake here. and not that it’s relevant to the topic, but if anyone is curious, all of terrible experiences i’ve gone through were with the secular world. i attended a Catholic school for 13 yrs and not once did i or any of my siblings ever see or hear of any abuse. i had many friends in other Catholic schools and again not once did we ever hear of anything wrong. again, not relevant, but i felt the need to put that out there. regardless, truth and data ARE beneficial for society no matter how painful the issue.

i don’t have the time right now to respond to everything, but there are a few i’d address.

otherwise i do hope you all had a blessed Easter!

 

[jen_fla]

I agree and I also love my church and that is why I will always ask the questions that are needed to be asked. The slander (nazi) against the church is also unecessary and wrong because it diverts attention where it needs to be focused. There are real problems that need immediate attention and correction. The following article below in every major newspaper about the Vatican is going to cite (immunity) a legal way out -refuting instead of adequately correcting the events of abuse… saddens me.

If it is true that the Vatican is citing immunity, they will also lock themselves out from going anywhere near it lest they be tied to the abuse cases. This also means they will not do anything to completely correct the sexual abuse. WE will hear about the power of prayer and to pray for the victims, but this alone will not correct or prevent the problems. This is not the correction that is needed. The church must do what they have taught us to do ,if we were left in this situation and a church leader. This is what perplexes and puzzles catholics who love the Lord and the church. Thy will be and should be done.

www.philly.com/…/20100331_Vatican_to_cite_immunity_in_abuse_case.html

that is twice you have posted a link that does not work. can you please check them before posting? thanks.

 

[jen_fla]

There is a heck of a lot of tribalism, our team vs. their team, stuff going on in this thread. Bottom line is the Catholic Church knowlingly covered up and shuffled priests to avoid scandal. That’s sinful, unconscionable, sickening. The Pope seems to have buried his head in the sand about a lot of this, was slow to act, priests have been put in positions where they should’ve been removed. Many of these creeps should’ve been walking out in handcuffs. This is a management protecting management type cover-up. Why must we point out the sins of Protestants or other ecclesiastical bodies and cry the media persecution blues? The media should absolutely stay on this story, keep the Church honest, and make sure justice ensues. I have no problem with it. This “sticking up for the pope” stuff is frustrating. Imagine if it were your little son or daughter being violated!! Imagine if it were your kid being raped, fondled, invaded, psychologically terrorized?! Imagine the diabolical violation going on here and then the desire to move these terrorists of little children to other dioceses? Or the pope hears about an abuse case and it takes seven long years to defrock the creep? Or a priest molests tons of deaf boys? It’s just horrific. We need to just take stock, admit it’s unacceptable, stop blaming the media all the time, stop pointing fingers at Lutherans or Orthodox or Baptists and clean our own dirty laundry. I’m tired of this…

hi gurney. i want to give this comment more attention than i can just right now. we are all in agreement that these crimes are atrocious and i for one am glad the media is reporting such, but i am with susan that the media has a responsibility to get their facts straight and not just report half truths in some cases. most if not all of these cases were from 40 to over 60 years ago. the CC has made some significant improvements in handling such, but of course that in no way excuses the crimes of the bishops that performed or covered up these crimes in the past. in addition though, i would like to see the media accurately cover ALL abuse cases occurring in other organizations as well. some parents might think this is mainly a Catholic problem and that their children are safer under the wings of other denominations or organizations. we both agree that justice needs to be served for the Catholic victims, but i am sure you would agree that victims of abuse under anyone of any creed need to be exposed as well. and as to seeing them taken away in handcuffs, well we are all in agreement there, but we also have to look at why the police did not prosecute when they were made aware. were mistakes made that we need to address to make the system better? what means do we have of proving allegations? these are only some of the questions we should be asking.

when i have more time, i’d like to discuss with you as a teacher what the procedure is for students that report abuse.

peace.

 

[jen_fla]

I agree with you 100%. This has happened in all denominations. It like they are trying to justify one wrong with another wrong. No matter who or what denomination has done it and who ever covered it up should face the full extent of the law. If it were up to me they would spend life in prison without a chance of getting out. The are like you said Terrorists of little children.

who is trying to justify abuse in any way on this thread?