sexual abuse by protestant ministers

[Prodigal_Son1]

What makes this a scandal is the size and time period. It involves heiarchy and cover-up. It is a national/international event. Is anyone here advocating that the media leave this story alone? Would anyone feel different if they were the victim or one of their children a victim? All of this should be obvious.

Everyone wants to blame the media or the culture. The church should have involved law enforcement involved from the start. They didn’t and now are paying a very high price. What is sad is that the CC is bring down all of christendom in their attempts to keep themselves out of hot water.

Here’s another example of an opinion that a correction to a widespread problem resting totally upon, and ONLY, the Catholic Church.

As you state, ‘What is sad is that the CC is bring down all of christendom in their attempts to keep themselves out of hot water’, I have to ask if you think any prominent Christian that commits this, or other horrendous, sins has any impact on ALL of Christendom? You appear to say that ONLY the Catholic Church impacts ALL of Christendom. Are non-believers not affected when they see a prominent Christian caught in a sinful act?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I said they are all sicko’s no matter the name on the church.

Yet your solution to the widespread problem was only addressing the Catholic Church.

And thank you for copying and pasting all the scriptures.

You’re welcome. There are too many, even ‘sola scripturists’, who make points not supported in scriptures. I like to show scriptures my thoughts are based on, as often as I can.

 

[Vile_Servant]

i think we can all agree that sexual abuse by any human being of any creed is something we must all work towards preventing.

since the news has brainwashed most americans into thinking Catholic priest = child molester i thought some light should be shed on how this problem exists for our protestant friends as well. the second comment i posted shows how the problem is even worse in our secular school systems.

ALL Protestant denominations - 838 Ministers

147 Baptist Ministers

251 “Bible” Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 various Church Ministers

read cases here

Please read Pope Benedict’s letter to the Irish Catholics. In it, he does not mention “Protestant” or “Minister” at all. Let us first take the plank out of our own eyes, and then we will see clearly to remove the speck from our brother’s eye.

 

[tweetymom]

Here’s another example of an opinion that a correction to a widespread problem resting totally upon, and ONLY, the Catholic Church.

As you state, ‘What is sad is that the CC is bring down all of christendom in their attempts to keep themselves out of hot water’, I have to ask if you think any prominent Christian that commits this, or other horrendous, sins has any impact on ALL of Christendom? You appear to say that ONLY the Catholic Church impacts ALL of Christendom. Are non-believers not affected when they see a prominent Christian caught in a sinful act?

We are all affected when any church has scandal whatever the name. We as christians are supposed to be a beacon of light to all, not a beacon of darkness. So all our actions are judged.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Christians, no matter what Church they are affliated with, are called to set an example through the way they live. ALL will be held accountable for their actions before the Lord.

We should all pray for those victims, and those who sinned against them, just as our Lord prayed for those who persecuted Him.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

We are all affected when any church has scandal whatever the name. We as christians are supposed to be a beacon of light to all, not a beacon of darkness. So all our actions are judged.

Agreed.

 

[joe_clark]

i think we can all agree that sexual abuse by any human being of any creed is something we must all work towards preventing.

since the news has brainwashed most americans into thinking Catholic priest = child molester i thought some light should be shed on how this problem exists for our protestant friends as well. the second comment i posted shows how the problem is even worse in our secular school systems.

ALL Protestant denominations - 838 Ministers

147 Baptist Ministers

251 “Bible” Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 various Church Ministers

read cases here

I offer the following with no disrespect and as a parent who fears for my childrens safety. You know the reason why the news has informed/brainwashed most Americans into thinking Catholic priest = child molester,…it’s because of the continued lying, deceit, deception, evasion, spin and as we have on this post, deflection. The church has been issuing statements that they have this all under control and addressing this for 10 years that I know of. Soon after, something else hits the fan with more reports of abuse. Let’s not talk about the past (because we will have to deal with it)…let’s talk about what can be… Let’s talk about the other religions and the pedophiles they also have become…yikes!

People are educated today and may not say what I’m saying, but make it real clear, they are thinking this. Moving pedophile priests around like pieces on a chess board as the priests continue to abuse and create more victims doesn’t make me as a parent feel like my children are safe… yet. All the praying, investigations, blue ribbon panels , discussions and letters to the world will not protect a child from a pedophile that is still in the system.

I know about the liability and the exposure to the church, but what must be done must be done. The reluctance of the church is at point. The church must work with authorities to locate the pedophile priests in the wind, the priests that are still in the church and the priests suspected of abuse (charges/complaint) to evaluate each priest. Just staying silent on this point of issue or only adding words of comfort to the victims is a statement indicationg, that nothing will change with more to come. What parents of children actually worry about are the pedophiles that are intelligent that are currently woodshedding it, and haven’t been detected yet?

 

[Jon_Hus]

Here’s another example of an opinion that a correction to a widespread problem resting totally upon, and ONLY, the Catholic Church.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that the troubles under consideration at this point concern Catholic Priests and Bishops.

 

[tweetymom]

I offer the following with no disrespect and as a parent who fears for my childrens safety. You know the reason why the news has informed/brainwashed most Americans into thinking Catholic priest = child molester,…it’s because of the continued lying, deceit, deception, evasion, spin and as we have on this post, deflection. Let’s not talk about the past (because we will have to deal with it)…let’s talk about what can be… Let’s talk about the other religions and the pedophiles they also have become…yikes!

People are educated today and may not say what I’m saying, but make it real clear, they are thinking this. Moving pedophile priests around like pieces on a chess board as the priests continue to abuse and create more victims doesn’t make me as a parent feel like my children are safe… yet. All the praying, investigations, blue ribbon panels , discussions and letters to the world will not protect a child from a pedophile that is still in the system.

I know about the liability and the exposure to the church, but what must be done must be done. The church must work with authorities to locate the pedophile priests in the wind, the priests that are still in the church and the priests suspected of abuse (charges/complaint) to evaluate each priest. Just staying silent on this point of issue or only adding words of comfort to the victims is a statement indicationg, that nothing will change with more to come. What parents of children actually worry about are the pedophiles that are intelligent that are currently woodshedding it, and haven’t been detected yet?

 

[tweetymom]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that the troubles under consideration at this point concern Catholic Priests and Bishops.

They are, but smoke screens are being used.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that the troubles under consideration at this point concern Catholic Priests and Bishops.

I know there are threads specifically addressing ‘troubles under consideration…concerning priests and bishops’, but this thread was addressing the troubles of Protestant ministers.

I was trying to point out that the problem is larger than any one ‘organization’ and needs a global solution and not one directed ONLY at the Catholic Church.

What is sad is that the CC is bring down all of christendom in their attempts to keep themselves out of hot water.

Emphasis above is mine…

 

[CMatt25]

What about simply saying shepherds **in whatever church it is **who don’t know better than not to cover up child abuse are false teachers by their fruits instead of a defense by deflection?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

They are, but smoke screens are being used.

But it appears some ‘beacons’ are focused directly and only on the Catholic Church.

Look, it’s simple. It’s a horrendous crime/sin, no matter who commits it. Pointing fingers in only one direction is not going to solve the problem. Do you think we should only pray for the Catholic Church’s sinners? I don’t think you do, but am trying to make a point here.

One last time, you cannot judge and condemn the members of any one Church for the actions of a few. It is naive to think you can judge and condemn a Church for the actions of sinful people within that Church. There is NO Church made up of sinless people. There seems to be an abundance of Churches with lots of ‘self-righteous’ people though.

He who is without sin should cast the first stone…

 

[tweetymom]

What about simply saying shepherds **in whatever church it is **who don’t know better than not to cover up child abuse are false teachers by their fruits instead of a defense by deflection?

Good thought:thumbsup:

good thought

 

[cruisin]

Originally Posted by tweetymom
We are all affected when any church has scandal whatever the name. We as christians are supposed to be a beacon of light to all, not a beacon of darkness. So all our actions are judged.

Agreed.

me to:thumbsup:

 

[cruisin]

What about simply saying shepherds **in whatever church it is **who don’t know better than not to cover up child abuse are false teachers by their fruits instead of a defense by deflection?

agreed:thumbsup:

 

[adstrinity]

i’d like to ask in all honestly how many people have ever heard of a case being proven where a priest was falsely accused? the irish scandals have been all over the news and yet has anyone mentioned this in the mainstream media?

Man Receives Four Year Sentence for Falsely Accusing Priest

*"To me personally, this was like a case of armed robbery. **The accuser was using my name and reputation in order to extract money from the church. ***

"As I said at the outset, and I repeat again: I would honestly have preferred if the perpetrator had shot me through the head rather than put me and my family through the pangs of anxiety and the profound sufferings we have endured over the last four years.

"When he went with One-in-Four to Archbishop’s House armed with his accusation it hair-triggered the church’s guidelines - with immediate devastating effect on me and on the practice of my priesthood.

*“I was instantly and publicly suspended from my ministry. So without any due process, my diocese, in this Guantanamo Bay reaction, had me stand aside from my work as a priest. I had to leave my home and stay with family and friends and I lost almost a year out of my pastoral work,” the priest said. *

again, in no way am i trivializing how horrible this issue is, but the way the media is handling this is clearly biased.

another report from the insurance companies:

Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

I was going to delete all but your first black paragraph, but, I’m quoting again because nobody seems to be responding to any of this.

But, anyway, I haven’t. I know a few cases were dropped, but, the media always made it seem like because there was a pay-off. I think there was a case against Cardinal George Bernadine that the accusers eventually rescinded but, this is why, it’s dawned on me, the “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” is important even in this day & age; yeah the chargers said they were lying but, there is an asterisk next to that father’s name until Jesus comes back.

 

[Vile_Servant]

What about simply saying shepherds **in whatever church it is **who don’t know better than not to cover up child abuse are false teachers by their fruits instead of a defense by deflection?

Thanks for sticking up for the Pope, Matt. Always could count on you!

 

[BrianH]

If I could interject
One of the reasons I believe this thread was started and the website for sure was to essentially state…this is not just a Catholic problem.
I would encourage anyone to see one of the FRUITS of this particular website though please.
Take a random sentence out of the website and then google it. You will find out where this list appears on the web.
What you will find out is one of the fruits of this website is it is mostly used as foder for nonchristian sites as an example of how bad Christianity is.
So while the point is valid, the Catholic Church and Protestants both have sexual absuse and the media IS overly focused on Catholicism, the FRUITS of this turn out to give aid and ammunition to…well quite frankly…the enemies of Christ.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

If I could interject
One of the reasons I believe this thread was started and the website for sure was to essentially state…this is not just a Catholic problem.
I would encourage anyone to see one of the FRUITS of this particular website though please.
Take a random sentence out of the website and then google it. You will find out where this list appears on the web.
What you will find out is one of the fruits of this website is it is mostly used as foder for nonchristian sites as an example of how bad Christianity is.
So while the point is valid, the Catholic Church and Protestants both have sexual absuse and the media IS overly focused on Catholicism, the FRUITS of this turn out to give aid and ammunition to…well quite frankly…the enemies of Christ.

Agreed.