sexuality

[water]

Where does the bible specify homosexuality is wrong-natural law? a law laid down by the majority of hetrosexual control freaks. Is not Catholicism all about control-it always makes me laugh that whatever, Catholics are always right, always have THE answer. I realise im pissing in the wind here, but, for any gays who are unsure as to Catholicism-just be yourself, abide by the laws of your nation-spread love-be happy-ok

A gay man is not sinful, but his gay act is. If you know you are a gay man, then pray hard to God to help you realize that you are carrying a very unique cross, and that you will be strong and for the love of God, be able to carry this cross without having the flesh temptation put your soul in Hell.

The Church, not only the Catholics, but others know that the kind of homosexual activities are wrong through the Bible.

**Gen 19:4-8 **–> Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old – all the people to the last man … They called to Lot and said to him “Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them.…Lot went out to meet them at the entrance. When he had shut the door behind him, he said ’ I beg you, my brothers, not to do this wicked thing”

**
Gen 19: The destruction of the city “Sodom”.**

1. Cor: 6:9: sodomites → will not inherit the kingdom of God.

whew, Is this a coincident? “sodomite” and the City Sodom

Even Lot, … way before BC, knew homosexual acts were wrong! It is ashame that we do not learn much from our ancestor.

 

[Julianna]

Breakdown was caused by being forced to believe these things:

1. my children would be dead in 2 years (due to Gods chastisment)
   as will all my family and freinds.
2. my gay freinds will all burn in hell.
3. my Mother will burn in hell for not being a Catholic
4. I will burn in hell within 2 years if i dont adopt every part of the catholic catechism, not only understand it, remember it, but believe it to the word.
5. recordings of the screams of hell were played to me.
6. crosses were put up at every window to detract demons.
7. every impure thought, unreligous thought, want, happiness was from the devil.
8. i would recieve “graces” to help combat this fight with Satan (none ever came)
9. god would come to wreak rewenge (nordic variant) on the world was last october but has now been constantly deferred, is apparently next july 2007, (warning and miracle dependent of course).
10. if i prayed hard enough, an angel would some how save my kids.
11. everyone will die-darkness will cover the land-holy candles will save the few remaining.
12. the pope is the antichrist

now this, and much more that was indoctrinated into my head over a few months eventually cause a total meltdown, causing many months of drugs, treatment and pills-BIG love yeah!

1. not true, you have been the victim of “scare tactics”
2. Who ever said that is either very claravoyant, or again, “scare tactics”
3. see number #2
4. whenever human beings have a hand in something…it’s bound to have some percentage of failure or non truth…only God knows…human mortals do not.
5. What is Satan sending audio tapes UPS now? Where did they get the tapes? absolutely laughable
6. Evil always looks at the bigger picture…it is well documented that evil is vain and self-serving…you are miniscule in comparison (pure Hocus Pocus)
7. your impure thoughts are a result of environmental conditions, human conscience and your free will to think those things…strength to deter those thoughts are attainable…look within
8. don’t look for grace…you won’t find it…it will come to you through prayer and reflection. Our modern environment dictates that we “receive” things immediately…try patience and prayer
9. Event the angels in heaven, no not the day and the hour. (And these people do?..more Hocus Pocus)
10. hocus pocus
11. have no clue where that came from
12. pure fundy-evangel nonsense (the pope is as mortal as you are)

It is best for you to keep your sexual orientation to yourself. You will get lambasted for revealing it. I do not know your fate, judgement…as a mere mortal, I can’t know these things. I do know that Jesus loves you…and if you believe in your heart you have sinned and seek forgiveness…go to HIM.

 

[benjie]

I posted on this forum not because i have any faith at all or want any-just to let you guys know-been there, and it sucks-bigtime-themost unhappy time of my life-ever-and still unhappy till I can get out of this country and back to my family and friends.

“God is a concept, by which we measure our pain” J.L. 1968

 

[Julianna]

I posted on this forum not because i have any faith at all or want any-just to let you guys know-been there, and it sucks-bigtime-themost unhappy time of my life-ever-and still unhappy till I can get out of this country and back to my family and friends.

“God is a concept, by which we measure our pain” J.L. 1968

Sorry to read that benji. I see you are in Portugal…sounds like you went through the “old catholic” stuff. If you are coming to America…you won’t have to worry about that. Good Luck to you. Don’t give up on God, He hasn’t given up on you. You just met up with some folks who haven’t come into this century yet. Chalk up as a bad experience. Keep your sex life to yourself and you’ll be better off.

 

[LilyM]

LOL-Karen, it most certainly was, the fundamentalist Marionist traditionalist Catholic church!-saints in every room and Rosaries to spare!

The catholic church taught you to believe, and I quote, that the Pope is the antichrist? Who do you think you’re trying to fool with that one?

 

[water]

still unhappy till I can get out of this country and back to my family and friends.

Where are your family and friends living?

My family and friends are in another State in US, but I do have a family in Christ where I live right now - I feel as much love as I was with my immediate family.

 

[FCEGM]

oh my i guess they do things “differently” where you are…I have never heard a Catholic Priest, Bishop or Pope state the things you have said…also the Pope is not the anti-christ

Your right, Karin. This sounds more like an ultra-traditionalist, sede-vacantist group on LSD.

 

[kim3260]

I posted on this forum not because i have any faith at all or want any-just to let you guys know-been there, and it sucks-bigtime-themost unhappy time of my life-ever-and still unhappy till I can get out of this country and back to my family and friends.

“God is a concept, by which we measure our pain” J.L. 1968

If you all are serious about this you need REAL help ASAP. Find a Catholic Priest now. Talk to him. They will help. You are saddly mistaken if you think this is what the Catholic Church is.
God Bless You and I will pray for you.

 

[benjie]

The catholic church taught you to believe, and I quote, that the Pope is the antichrist? Who do you think you’re trying to fool with that one?

LIke im bothered to fool anyone? this is what was taught to me ok. there are certain sections of the Catholic church that believe that the latest pope was not elected by god, but by politics. That JPII was the last true pope The same pope that allegedly tried to cover up the third secret of Fatima, was the master behind JPII, and seeks the demise of Catholicism from within to make masonic world domination prevail. This is not my belief, it is what I was taught in the name of Catholicism, and one of the many reasons i am no longer a believer. When I first became increasingly mentally ill-i was forced to endure “excorcism prayers” whilst holding a cross to my forehead with incense burning 24/7-all I needed was psychiatric care but, no-i was possesed. If this sounds like another world to you readers-it isnt-its reality in YOUR church-look to within-Im just letting you know the score!

 

[Julianna]

LIke im bothered to fool anyone? this is what was taught to me ok. there are certain sections of the Catholic church that believe that the latest pope was not elected by god, but by politics. That JPII was the last true pope The same pope that allegedly tried to cover up the third secret of Fatima, was the master behind JPII, and seeks the demise of Catholicism from within to make masonic world domination prevail. This is not my belief, it is what I was taught in the name of Catholicism, and one of the many reasons i am no longer a believer. When I first became increasingly mentally ill-i was forced to endure “excorcism prayers” whilst holding a cross to my forehead with incense burning 24/7-all I needed was psychiatric care but, no-i was possesed. If this sounds like another world to you readers-it isnt-its reality in YOUR church-look to within-Im just letting you know the score!

Well now that you know, it was all Hocus Pocus and old fashioned scare tatics…it’s time to move on. You had a pyschiatric melt-down. It is what it is. Now is the time to be pro-active and move forward with your life.

 

[corvidae]

In the words of a saint

“Where Peter is, there is the Church, and where the Church is, there is Salvation”

You may very well have been taught those things, but I assure you, if they did not adhere to the Papacy, then they are not Catholic, regardless of what they called themselves.

It seems you were abused by a group that clings to some parts of Catholicism, but rejects others. It is not the real deal.

I ask you to explore these forums and see what the Catholic Church really believes. You may not agree with it, but then again, you will at least know the beliefs that you disagree with, And you know what Catholics believe so that you do not acuse us all of what some strange sect claiming to be Catholic said.

A lone Raven

 

[LilyM]

LIke im bothered to fool anyone? this is what was taught to me ok. there are certain sections of the Catholic church that believe that the latest pope was not elected by god, but by politics. That JPII was the last true pope The same pope that allegedly tried to cover up the third secret of Fatima, was the master behind JPII, and seeks the demise of Catholicism from within to make masonic world domination prevail. This is not my belief, it is what I was taught in the name of Catholicism, and one of the many reasons i am no longer a believer. When I first became increasingly mentally ill-i was forced to endure “excorcism prayers” whilst holding a cross to my forehead with incense burning 24/7-all I needed was psychiatric care but, no-i was possesed. If this sounds like another world to you readers-it isnt-its reality in YOUR church-look to within-Im just letting you know the score!

You were taught this about our Holy Father in the name of some schismatic and heretical sect that dares to call itself Catholic - but is no more Catholic than the Mornons are.

If you had any knowledge at all of Catholicism you could tell the difference between genuine Catholics who believe the Pope IS the successor of St Peter and genuine head of the Church, and non-Catholics, whatever they may call themselves, who believe otherwise.

If for whatever reason you were brought up Catholic without knowing this important difference then you know it now. Don’t dare tell me this was taught to you by the Catholic church though.

I do truly feel for you and anyone who is denied necessary psychiatric care. Even one case is too many. All I can say is that plenty of non-Christians (and in fact plenty of people who don’t adhere to any organised religion) believe in evil or malicious spirits as well.

And plenty of them believe homosexual acts are wrong - in fact they are much more vicious about it than most Catholics. So not adhering to an organised faith would most likely not have spared you all your trials.

 

[gardenswithkids]

You were taught this about our Holy Father in the name of some schismatic and heretical sect that dares to call itself Catholic - but is no more Catholic than the Mornons are.

Benjie, your description of the church you left sounds like a church you should have left long ago! It definately sounds like a church in schism with Rome, even if they call themselves Catholic. (Even if the parish you attended wasn’t formally kicked out of the Roman Catholic Church, they did not teach in accordance with Rome.)

As to the grace from God, He offers it to everyone, homosexual or heterosexual. Yes the Roman Catholic Church under the current pope still teaches (and will always teach) homosexual *acts *are wrong, but much of what your old church taught we don’t teach, (like the weird prophesy stuff and most of what else you wrote which proceeded your breakdown).

Perhaps the teachings on sexuality and chastity will make more sense (and show you the love you seek) if you find a parish that teaches in accordance with the Magesterium on all matters–including about the pope. I must say, if this is what they really taught, you did well to leave your old church; even though they claimed to be Catholic, they weren’t. I pray you find a good Catholic priest who can help you in your struggles.

 

[benjie]

You were taught this about our Holy Father in the name of some schismatic and heretical sect that dares to call itself Catholic - but is no more Catholic than the Mornons are.

If you had any knowledge at all of Catholicism you could tell the difference between genuine Catholics who believe the Pope IS the successor of St Peter and genuine head of the Church, and non-Catholics, whatever they may call themselves, who believe otherwise.

If for whatever reason you were brought up Catholic without knowing this important difference then you know it now. Don’t dare tell me this was taught to you by the Catholic church though…

Lady-i was a normal guy (Atheist) living in suberban UK until i fell in love with another guy who, for 5 months was a normal (if not slightly odd) gay guy. Then, once i was truly smitten, he came out with the God thing, celibacy, move to Portugal, etc. I loved him so much and was weak enough to believe all this ****, thinking that when we got to Portugal, god would take over things and all would be ok-in reality the opposite happened. My baptism was supposed to be a big opening of graces but just made the whole deal far worse as you had to get up and eat some bread and if not, you had to go to confession like a naughty schoolkid!-god never appeared, in form or spirit, and life just got worse and worse till i went tits up-all this was in the name of the “traditionalist true catholic church”-no sects or ****-rosaries 3 times daily etc etc etc. I still live in the middle of it but have no part to play, and will leave as soon as i am able to. This is not gobbldy gook-it can be found on the internet-priests know about it but would not mention it-Fatima secrets and “seers” type stuff-internet messages from the Holy Mother-all that is still happening in the name of traditional catholicism so dont try to put it under the table as not being catholic!-the Pope had an audience earlier this year with the"Pius 10th" group I think it is which is a bunch of traditionalists who believe all this ****. Stuff about pre-vaticanII mass-local prophets guiding the population to prepair for the apocolypse!
lady-dont dismiss it-its catholic politics and will get worse afor it gets better-me-im out of it back to the real world and a better choice in men!

 

[LilyM]

Lady-i was a normal guy (Atheist) living in suberban UK until i fell in love with another guy who, for 5 months was a normal (if not slightly odd) gay guy. Then, once i was truly smitten, he came out with the God thing, celibacy, move to Portugal, etc. I loved him so much and was weak enough to believe all this ****, thinking that when we got to Portugal, god would take over things and all would be ok-in reality the opposite happened. My baptism was supposed to be a big opening of graces but just made the whole deal far worse as you had to get up and eat some bread and if not, you had to go to confession like a naughty schoolkid!-god never appeared, in form or spirit, and life just got worse and worse till i went tits up-all this was in the name of the “traditionalist true catholic church”-no sects or ****-rosaries 3 times daily etc etc etc. I still live in the middle of it but have no part to play, and will leave as soon as i am able to. This is not gobbldy gook-it can be found on the internet-priests know about it but would not mention it-Fatima secrets and “seers” type stuff-internet messages from the Holy Mother-all that is still happening in the name of traditional catholicism so dont try to put it under the table as not being catholic!-the Pope had an audience earlier this year with the"Pius 10th" group I think it is which is a bunch of traditionalists who believe all this ****. Stuff about pre-vaticanII mass-local prophets guiding the population to prepair for the apocolypse!
lady-dont dismiss it-its catholic politics and will get worse afor it gets better-me-im out of it back to the real world and a better choice in men!

The Pius 10th Society is NOT in proper communion with Rome - meeting them is almost the same for the Pope as having a meeting with Anglicans or Orthodox Christians, except that the Pius 10th society only broke with Rome 30 years or so ago so they have a better chance of reconciling.

As for Fatima ‘secrets’ - are you talking about supposed secrets that have yet to be revealed? And references the apocalypse? Again these are directly contrary to Church teaching.

Now if you ‘eat some bread’ (which we believe is truly and literally the Body and Blood of Christ which He commanded us to eat, by the way ) just because you’re told to, and go to confession just because you’re told to, then of course nothing will happen for you - you have to understand what you’re doing, understand the significance of Holy Communion and Confession. And more importantly you need to fully accept and believe it before you actually do anything!

Any intelligent Catholic would’ve told you to wait 20 years to be certain rather than join the Church if you weren’t ready for it!! And if you’re joining solely for the sake of a boyfriend then no way are you ready. You’re certainly better off getting out.

As for things being ‘done in the name of’ traditional Catholicism - well I can do anything at all and claim to be acting ‘in the name of’ Buddha, Hitler, Stalin or in your name for that matter, and persuade others of the same, doesn’t make it true.

 

[benjie]

Dont shoot the messinger! i dont believe a word of it but a lot of Catholics do-its called Traditionalist Catholicism-far to theologically technical for me-but those that know about it-well, they know! PS-please dont do anything in my name-it would be very rude thanks.

 

[water]

Gen 19:4-8 → Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old – all the people to the last man … They called to Lot and said to him “Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them…Lot went out to meet them at the entrance. When he had shut the door behind him, he said ’ I beg you, my brothers, not to do this wicked thing”

Gen 19: The destruction of the city “Sodom”.

1. Cor: 6:9: sodomites → will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[benjie]

so rape is wrong-totally agree mate!

 

[Tietjen]

Breakdown was caused by being forced to believe these things:
my children would be dead in 2 years (due to Gods chastisment)
as will all my family and freinds.
my gay freinds will all burn in hell.
my Mother will burn in hell for not being a Catholic
I will burn in hell within 2 years if i dont adopt every part of the catholic catechism, not only understand it, remember it, but believe it to the word.
recordings of the screams of hell were played to me.
crosses were put up at every window to detract demons.
every impure thought, unreligous thought, want, happiness was from the devil.
i would recieve “graces” to help combat this fight with Satan (none ever came)
god would come to wreak rewenge (nordic variant) on the world was last october but has now been constantly deferred, is apparently next july 2007, (warning and miracle dependent of course).
if i prayed hard enough, an angel would some how save my kids.
everyone will die-darkness will cover the land-holy candles will save the few remaining.
the pope is the antichrist

now this, and much more that was indoctrinated into my head over a few months eventually cause a total meltdown, causing many months of drugs, treatment and pills-BIG love yeah!

ummm… With all do respect, what in the heck are you talking about?! As I read this, I’d say that you were very seriously misinformed as to the cause of your breakdown. THIS thing that you discribed was not the Catholic Church. Sounds as though some cult pretending to be Catholic manipulated you. If I were you, I’d go see a REAL Catholic Priest and get the REAL Truth.

 

[Tietjen]

Lady-i was a normal guy (Atheist) living in suberban UK until i fell in love with another guy who, for 5 months was a normal (if not slightly odd) gay guy. Then, once i was truly smitten, he came out with the God thing, celibacy, move to Portugal, etc. I loved him so much and was weak enough to believe all this ****, thinking that when we got to Portugal, god would take over things and all would be ok-in reality the opposite happened. My baptism was supposed to be a big opening of graces but just made the whole deal far worse as you had to get up and eat some bread and if not, you had to go to confession like a naughty schoolkid!-god never appeared, in form or spirit, and life just got worse and worse till i went tits up-all this was in the name of the “traditionalist true catholic church”-no sects or ****-rosaries 3 times daily etc etc etc. I still live in the middle of it but have no part to play, and will leave as soon as i am able to. This is not gobbldy gook-it can be found on the internet-priests know about it but would not mention it-Fatima secrets and “seers” type stuff-internet messages from the Holy Mother-all that is still happening in the name of traditional catholicism so dont try to put it under the table as not being catholic!-the Pope had an audience earlier this year with the"Pius 10th" group I think it is which is a bunch of traditionalists who believe all this ****. Stuff about pre-vaticanII mass-local prophets guiding the population to prepair for the apocolypse!
lady-dont dismiss it-its catholic politics and will get worse afor it gets better-me-im out of it back to the real world and a better choice in men!

Sir,
With all do respect. Both your tone and your allegations are insulting and nothing more than lies. If you wish to believe that what you experienced was the Catholic Church, then that is your choice. However, just as you don’t want us to tell you the Truth about the Church, we don’t really wish to hear yours lies about the Church. You have been informed as to what the Church truly teaches concerning your original question, and what you do with it is entirely up to you. You have been advised that those people that you turned to were NOT real Catholics and that if you sought out REAL Catholic Priests you would know what the Church actually teaches. If you decide not to do this, that is again up to you. Either way the Church doesn’t force this on you or anyone else, nor does God. He has given us the ability to make choices in our lives. Make your choice. Either learn from a real Catholic Priest or continue to believe the lies you have been taught from the pretenders. This thread has become utterly ridicules. What you have attempted to do would be as stupid as someone here attempting to pass off the lie that all homosexuals gather at Stonehenge on full moons and make blood sacrifices of virgins. That person would be arguing with a lie just as you are currently doing. It is the “straw-man” argument in the extreme and if you want to pursue it, then you came to the wrong place. We Catholics here at CAF know our Church and what She teaches. We aren’t/can’t take you seriously when you come in here and try to make such an argument. I would strongly suggest that you seek out the help you need (both within and outside the Church) to make informed decisions in your life. I would also suggest that you cease spreading the ridiculous miss-information concerning the Church. Otherwise, no one will ever take you seriously again. It doesn’t even make sense what you’re telling us. On the one hand you say that this church that you went to did all these horrible things and you now know that what they did and said was wrong; yet you go on to say that since they called themselves Catholic, they must have been telling you the truth (or at least that IS something that you believe that they told you). If you recognize that everything else that they said was not true, why would you choose to believe that!? You are simply not making sense. God bless you and I sincerely hope that someday you recognize Truth when you hear it.