'Shadow council' speaker pushes Church acceptance of contraception, gay sex

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So you are equating sex (of any sort) with love. This is not surprising since you peviously argued to remove the intrinsic link between sex and procreation. You also seem that to hold that homosexual acts as sinful is to hate homosexuals. You are very wrong on that. Firstly a person is not defined by his ‘sexuality’, a person’s sexuality is not the sum total of that person. We are called to love all people, but we are not called to accept whatever that person wishes to do as being OK. The Church’s teaching on homosexuality is very clear, we ARE called to love persons with homosexual inclinations. But that does not mean accepting that homosexual acts are OK., they are not. You seem to define a person by what he does with his genitals and that whatever a person decides to do with his (or her) genitals should be accepted as good.
No, I am not equating sex (of any sort) with love. As I said above, sex is just sex. Sex can either be meaningful (two lovers regardless of sex) or not (see: prostitutes, pornstars). Plus, there are simulated sex scenes in movies were actors get butt naked and grind on each other - anyone who knows about these scenes know that sex scenes are more uncomfortable than an actual turn-on for the actors. Many actors do sex scenes and they’re fine; it’s no big deal. If they have a significant other who experiences difficulties with them doing such things then the significant other is the insecure one. Actors are professionals who know how to properly control their feelings - we can learn a lot from actors. In these situations kissing and whatnot is really is no problem to actors; they’re professionals and know how to handle these situations. As one actress said, “I see no big deal with nudity. It’s scary at first, but once you’ve done your first scene you think ‘Well that wasn’t bad.’ Nudity becomes no big deal if the script calls for it.” I wish more people would be less prude when it comes to nudity and sex.

Homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone. There are countless studies showing same-sex relationships can raise kids to stable, happy humans just like opposite-sex couples. There’s also a study saying because there is an absence of sex differences in same-sex relationships, say, as opposed when a husband works and the wife becomes a housewife, there’s more stability and equality. The reason being is that a same-sex couple can focus on love and respect without “one being the man” and the other being submissive. The pressure of gender traditional roles plays no role.

I’ll appeal to the nonsense that homosexuality (and bisexuality) is “harmful”: Two people experience same-sex attraction are lovers, as they walk down the street towards you hand in hand they do not hurt you. It’s just love. They’re just two people living a part of who they are that was once shamed and illegal.

Many gays in America are now married. They are also adopting and raising kids just like opposite-sex couples. They are equal; they are the same. Equally deserving of dignity and rights once held from them by conservatives. The sky has not fallen since Obergefull v. Hodges like some bigoted Christians say it would. You guys were wrong. I’d even argue that America can finally be proud of something. (You’ll see many on twitter/instragram with #ProudAmerican when same-sex marriage was past on June 26th.)
Arrogance? The Church was created by God Himself when He was on Earth. He gave the Church the power to bind and loose and set up a hierarchy. If Christ came today and said what he said about marriage in Matthew 19 then He too would probably be called arrogant be society today.
But not everyone believes in this “God” and not every Christian agrees with the Catholic Church. Schisms create different denominations like Unitarian Universalists; there’s the Church of England with its female bishop Libby Lane. There are the Reformed Jews who support same-sex marriage. Are you going to tell me that they have it wrong and you have it right? Their faith is no more weaker than yours.
Again, God’s Truths are not dictated by what society thinks they ought to be. And yes the Church is hierarchical, Christ created it it as such. And as for Church teachings changing, they will not, they cannot. What was true yesterday cannot be false today and vice-versa.
Modernism is actually defined as a heresy, and rightly so.
Like it our not the Church has the authority of God to teach. So where does the authority to teach God’s Truth come from? From the Church or from the society we live in?
This is meaningless to unbelievers; socially progressive Christians believe otherwise. Truth comes from individual experiences depending where they are in their own life. This truth can be paralleled with “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” What ones sees as truth, you many not see it as, but that doesn’t mean what I see as truth is false. There are different angles when viewing a picture, or, say, the earth - no one angle is “right.”
 
Do you?

Or is what you have posted simply a sarcastic wind-up?
As I said, this is my attempt to be devil’s advocate. My first post was actually meant for sarcasm (which I noted in my second post). I do not hold what is written as my own beliefs, but the beliefs of those who very much lay and walk in a “modernistic” morality garden.
 
The article wasn’t written by him, but he shared it on his Facebook page. He also commented in support of it on the comments (not sure if they’re there anymore, may have been taken off…censorship by TJP perhaps?)
Didn’t see it on his facebook page. He has made ambiguous statements though. To be fair, he tweeted something Archbishop Chaput said on the issue that reaffirmed the Church’s teachings.
 
The only thing I could possibly accept in all this is that acts are not intrinsically evil, but I would have thought a Jesuit would better explain the issue. The CCC of course provides that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.” There is a difference between disorder and evil, though one can result in the other.

It concerns the nature of God’s Creation. It was an early Church heresy that God created both good and evil. St. Augustine refuted this heresy, arguing that God’s Creation was only good and that evil resulted from man’s misuse of what was good (that is, God did not create evil). I could understand this as meaning it is the misuse (disorder) of what is good that is sinful and not that there is intrinsic evil in God’s Creation. That the Church teaches that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” means just that. This misuse (disorder) of God’s intended good use of human sexuality is what is intrinsically evil.

I could accept this interpretation. But what is said in the article goes way beyond it and seems to reject the idea of disorder as well, as though man could not misue the good and therefore no act were necessarily sinful. And that cannot be true.
 
I just don’t get it.

In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
 
I just don’t get it.

In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
There is unfortunately nothing to get. 🙂 You either accept the teachings of the Church as handed down from Scripture or you don’t: end of story. White is white; black is black. White is not black because it’s feeling super merciful and “new” today. The Anglicans are an “inclusive Church.” God sets the rules; we don’t. If we need a smaller Church of people who can accept that and witness it, fine. IMHO. Perhaps even overdue.

But personally I don’t think this “Shadow Council” is going anywhere - it is just too over the top, comical really. (At least John Lennon gave us some great music along with his surreal nonsense, right?) The Church leadership will not go for this - don’t worry.
 
But personally I don’t think this “Shadow Council” is going anywhere - it is just too over the top, comical really. (At least John Lennon gave us some great music along with his surreal nonsense, right?) The Church leadership will not go for this - don’t worry.
TBH, I’m not a huge Lennon fan. I really like the Beatles’ Let it be, but that’s written by McCartney.
 
Unless the Church defines otherwise, per St. Ignatius. 😉
Now who but thee, our God, didst make for us that firmament of the authority of thy divine Scripture to be over us? For “the heaven shall be folded up like a scroll”; but now it is stretched over us like a skin. Thy divine Scripture is of more sublime authority now that those mortal men through whom thou didst dispense it to us have departed this life. (Confessions 13:15) St. Augustine 👍
On a side note, I have no quibble with Let It Be. Perhaps a good theme for the Shadow Council, no? 🙂
 
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