Sharron Angle: Down With Maternity, Autism Coverage

[StTommyMore]

Well, as I’ve indicated, ignorance, greed, poverty are all symptoms of a fallen humanity. Christ is the only cure, not government. The only thing more government has ever done is make poor people poorer and taken away their dignity to boot.

Like I have said before, I am not in favor of a nanny state, but certain programs should be at least funded by the government. Mostly this programs that would help people get an education, keep food on the table, and help defray medical costs.

 

[Rita_De_C]

Maybe people are tired of the entitlement society and want to keep more of their own money?

I’d like to keep more of my money. I don’t want insurance companies to keep ripping me off with sky high premiums and then denying me coverage when I get to be 40 years old because I have a heart murmur and my cholesterol is high. They did that to me when I lost my job and tried get insurance on my own. I don’t understand why so many people believe that corporations are all so benevolent and trustworthy when making money is their bottom line. I understand they should be able to make a profit, and I don’t want socialism, But “the profit motive, a necessary virtue in capitalism-is often only another name for a capital vice - one of the seven deadly sins, namely that of greed.” I’m quoting Peter Kreeft here, Catholic Christianity, page 264. As I see it, the huge salaries and golden parachutes of many CEO’s, verses the pay workers receive, and the product that customers receive, especially in the insurance industry, is a sign that greed has taken over. Often they have enough money to buy politicians who will keep government regulation out of their pots of gold, or they promote politicians who are too naive to realize how the whole system works. You may disagree with me on this, and that is okay, but I hope I don’t get a flood of private messages calling me a socialist marxist Hitler un-American communist for suggesting that there are some dangers in capitalism that Catholics should be aware of.

 

[RACJ]

The Tea Party is nothing more that self-centered greedy hypocrites.

So, you think that the party who is willing to slice and dice full-term babies at taxpayer expense holds the high ground. These liberal fiends have BANKRUPTED my children and grandchildren through their union and fat cat pension and "stimulus" payoffs, and you are still voting for them? This is the party who gave us the wretched financial scam artists Fannie and Freddie, and no one has been punished for their criminality. Thanks a bunch!! :eek: Many Americans DO deserve the demented government which will continue to bring poverty and suffering to America, but not all of us. Rob

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

The only time choice is important is when it comes to abortion. Other than that, just sit down, shut up, and do what the government tells you to do.

Bill Hicks:

“You are free to do as we tell you; you are free to do as we tell you!!!”

He was a total Leftist, but he had a point here.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Be 16 years old, second oldest of 7 other brothers and sisters with no soup kitch or anything. Grow up in Leon, Oklahoma in the 1950’s and then let me know if it was anything like you have experienced. Where not only you, but your baby brother and sisters meals are your responsibility on top of your education.

Everyone goes through hard times, this is no competition of who did what. But when you start throwing the word “we” around as in “we” must do this “we” must not allow this. Then you need to take a good hard look in the mirror. You volunteer, you donate. Don’t worry about what I have to do or try and force me to do anything. I will take good care of my own and if fortunate enough help to take care of others.

BTW, there are kids around here to this day who have been raised in a similar means. Not quite as tough, but with only one parent and working almost full time hours along with schooling. When it’s possible the locals hire them to do whatever little jobs they can come up with to help them along. They also hunt and fish for their own food sometimes.

You come from Leon, OK? Cool…
I spent part of my youth in Oklahoma. I was a Military Brat and my Stepfather was stationed with us at Ft. Sill. Lived and Graduated High School in Lawton, OK.Ever been there, BTW?

Haven’t been back there in 20 years. Wish I could go back now, if only for a visit. Genuinely miss those Rolling Plains and Genuine Winters. I’ve been living in Augusta, Ga for 20 years. NO winters here.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

Urban Legend and part of the leftist smear campaign against Palin.

Here is the truth with as much detail as you can suffer through:

explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/23/72-palin-required-rape-victims-to-pay-for-their-own-rape-kits/

It’s not as cut-and-dried as you’d like. Read this:
factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_sarah_palin_make_rape_victims_pay.html

 

[StTommyMore]

So, you think that the party who is willing to slice and dice full-term babies at taxpayer expense holds the high ground. These liberal fiends have BANKRUPTED my children and grandchildren through their union and fat cat pension and “stimulus” payoffs, and you are still voting for them? This is the party who gave us the wretched financial scam artists Fannie and Freddie, and no one has been punished for their criminality. Thanks a bunch!! Many Americans DO deserve the demented government which will continue to bring poverty and suffering to America, but not all of us. Rob

Where did I say I vote Democrat ? Nowhere. I vote pro-life. Unfortunately, I am forced to the party that votes that protects the unborn, and abandonment the born. And for the record, unregulated capitalism is NOT supported by the Church.

 

[viveret]

I think she’s in favor of Charle’s Murray’s idea that if you withdraw all aid from impoverished unwed mothers, then the rate of pregnancy among these young women (read black women mostly) would plummet.
He has created a social-engineering model of birth control.

 

[viveret]

Unprincipled capitalism is corruption.
How’s that health care for profit working out for you?
When it comes to the well-being of the patient versus the investor, the investor wins out every time.

 

[eslocklier]

So, you think that the party who is willing to slice and dice full-term babies at taxpayer expense holds the high ground. These liberal fiends have BANKRUPTED my children and grandchildren through their union and fat cat pension and “stimulus” payoffs, and you are still voting for them? This is the party who gave us the wretched financial scam artists Fannie and Freddie, and no one has been punished for their criminality. Thanks a bunch!! Many Americans DO deserve the demented government which will continue to bring poverty and suffering to America, but not all of us. Rob

A-MEN!

 

[bbarrick8383]

You come from Leon, OK? Cool…
I spent part of my youth in Oklahoma. I was a Military Brat and my Stepfather was stationed with us at Ft. Sill. Lived and Graduated High School in Lawton, OK.Ever been there, BTW?

Haven’t been back there in 20 years. Wish I could go back now, if only for a visit. Genuinely miss those Rolling Plains and Genuine Winters. I’ve been living in Augusta, Ga for 20 years. NO winters here.

I live clost to Leon, my father grew up around here. Things were pretty rough in his day, his father died when he was really young from a heart attack, after being in the Navy and seeing some crazy stuff he came back in really bad health. He though he saw a torpedo in his front yard, by the time my grandma walked to the local store to a phone and was able to call anyone he was gone. My grandfather saw some pretty bad combat action in the Navy.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Autism and having a baby are not sicknesses.

People who are autistic often have unique gifts. They can focus their attention. Many great scientists are autistic. They may or may not make great quarterbacks or great basketball players or great golfers, and they may not be the most outgoing and social people, and maybe they don’t drink a lot, but there is no reason to drug them just because they are slightly different.

Having a baby is not an emergency situation or any kind of illness.

If you’re not married and not planning on having children or if you’re beyond child-bearing age, why should you be forced to buy a medical insurance plan that covers maternity care.

The idea is that you can shop around for a medical insurance plan that suits your individual needs.

Or … buy an MSA or HSA plan so that you can put money aside to pay for maternity costs.

There are many ways of dealing with these issues without being blackjacked by the government into buying a one-size-fits all medical insurance plan.

 

[St_Francis]

jay29;7096353:

My paychecks are not getting bigger and my taxes are going up. I have my own family to feed. What about my family?

Practice the evangelical counsels. Learn to discern the difference between needs and wants.

Our insurance cost went up by 60% this year and we do not get the coverage that people on MediCaid get. We have one child in college and another due to start in two years. We will be paying for most of that if my husband keeps on working.

Not everyone is called to live under the evangelical cousels of poverty, obedience, and chastity. Others are called to have families and have different stations in life.

Right now, those who claim to love the poor so much are those who give less to the poor out of their own money, while those who are continually accused of not caring about anyone after they’ve been born are the ones who voluntarily give more money to charity.

Remember how much Biden gave? He averaged under $400 at a time when he was
making over $300K. Each year.

And while Bill Gates was publicized for giving the biggest charitable contributio at $3.3 billion. Wow, that’s a lot of money! But Gates is worth $54 billion today and hqs been worth $100 billion. His house cost $50 million.

And Google, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo and other companies all made three to sixmtimes
the profit of most of the health insurance companies.

So why don’t you consider bugging people who agree with you about their profits, charitable giving, and lifestyle instead of people who are trying to raise families on a lot less?

 

[StTommyMore]

Our insurance cost went up by 60% this year and we do not get the coverage that people on MediCaid get. We have one child in college and another due to start in two years. We will be paying for most of that if my husband keeps on working.

Not everyone is called to live under the evangelical cousels of poverty, obedience, and chastity. Others are called to have families and have different stations in life.

Right now, those who claim to love the poor so much are those who give less to the poor out of their own money, while those who are continually accused of not caring about anyone after they’ve been born are the ones who voluntarily give more money to charity.

Remember how much Biden gave? He averaged under $400 at a time when he was
making over $300K. Each year.

And while Bill Gates was publicized for giving the biggest charitable contributio at $3.3 billion. Wow, that’s a lot of money! But Gates is worth $54 billion today and hqs been worth $100 billion. His house cost $50 million.

And Google, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo and other companies all made three to sixmtimes
the profit of most of the health insurance companies.

So why don’t you consider bugging people who agree with you about their profits, charitable giving, and lifestyle instead of people who are trying to raise families on a lot less?

Everybody. EVERYBODY. Is called to live out the evangelical counsels in some way. Not all are called to religious life, but all are called to chastity, obedience to authority, and poverty in spirit.

 

[LatinJohn]

The Tea Party is nothing more that self-centered greedy hypocrites.

Wow. This is incredibly uncharitable and also false.

 

[LatinJohn]

The problem with government is that is repugnant as it is to pay people who do nothing, without government we fall into chaos. Don’t get me wrong, I am all for lower taxes, but not at the expense of social programs.

Well, the actuarial load for the Autism Spectral Disorders and the other insurance mandates is generally 8-10% of the base rate of coverage in my market depending upon the carrier (not to include the new Obama mandates). In my market the average single coverage is around $400-$500 per month, so if you would like to contribute $50 per month then you are free to contribute to the charity of your choice. I would rather the groups I represent be able to keep coverage of their employees rather than dropping coverage due to the cost of these mandates.

 

[Secret_Square]

First off, I have an autistic child myself so it would be to my advantage to have an insurance policy that covered autism treatments (and I do).

That being said… I interpret Angle’s statement to mean, NOT that autism and maternity coverage are “bad” or that insurance companies should not offer them in response to customer demand.

She is simply saying that insurance companies should not be required by law to cover these things. And I see her point. The more conditions insurance companies are required to cover, the higher the cost of everyone’s insurance becomes.

Of course the catch is that if maternity coverage or autism coverage is offered only to people who pay extra for it, it will cost those people more than if the cost is spread out among all the policyholders. Perhaps if autism coverage were optional, autism advocacy groups could offer some kind of assistance with paying the premiums?

People who want mandated coverage for preventive care, mammograms, pre-existing conditions, etc. are well-meaning but the problem is that over time all these mandates add up, and eventually make insurance so prohibitively expensive for everyone that no one can afford it, or else they have to rely on Medicaid, which is a whole 'nother story.

Still, just because something is good or necessary does not automatically mean that the government should pay for it or force private businesses (which insurance companies are) to sell it.

 

[viveret]

She’s got a point–autism has become the new “cool” diagnosis. If there’s something wrong, but they don’t know what; call it autism. I think that’s the point she’s making; not that autism shouldn’t be covered, but the usage of the term is so amorphous as to be almost meaningless.

I know two people who have been diagnosed with these “autism spectrum” disorders.
One of them, who possesses a degree in English from one of the finest programs in the nation, was hired for 37 jobs and fired from all 37 jobs.
It did not matter that he was brilliant.
It had to do with his constitutional inability to manage himself in social situations and work-related hierarchies and organization.
The second I don’t know so well, but he has immense problems taking care of himself.
These disabilities are not imagined. If you know any of these autistic people for any significant length of time, you know what these disabilities are about, and why they present a serious obstacle to making a competency in the world.
I’m sick of people dreaming that autism doesn’t exist.
It does.

 

[RACJ]

Where did I say I vote Democrat ? Nowhere. I vote pro-life. Unfortunately, I am forced to the party that votes that protects the unborn, and abandonment the born. And for the record, unregulated capitalism is NOT supported by the Church.

 Nowhere do *I* imply that I support "abandonment of the born". We spend trillions of dollars each year, including now, money that even our *grandchildren's* generation will never be able to repay. I say that money in the hands of government bureaucrats is almost always misspent money. Even when it is properly *directed*, as in most Social Security payments, the administration of the system eats most of the money! (80%, I've heard.) 
 Second, you posit the straw man of "unregulated capitalism". We don't have this, and NO ONE wants this, BUT I'm more concerned today with unchecked government, including the executive, legislative and judicial branches. If you are REALLY concerned with "unregulated capitalism", you should be furious with what the scoundrels, 95% Democrats, have allowed Fannie and Freddie to steal from the public coffers! The jails should be filled with these absconders of our money, but there's nary a tin cup rattling. :shrug: Cordially, Rob

 

[StTommyMore]

Nowhere do I imply that I support “abandonment of the born”. We spend trillions of dollars each year, including now, money that even our grandchildren’s generation will never be able to repay. I say that money in the hands of government bureaucrats is almost always misspent money. Even when it is properly directed, as in most Social Security payments, the administration of the system eats most of the money! (80%, I’ve heard.)
Second, you posit the straw man of “unregulated capitalism”. We don’t have this, and NO ONE wants this, BUT I’m more concerned today with unchecked government, including the executive, legislative and judicial branches. If you are REALLY concerned with “unregulated capitalism”, you should be furious with what the scoundrels, 95% Democrats, have allowed Fannie and Freddie to steal from the public coffers! The jails should be filled with these absconders of our money, but there’s nary a tin cup rattling. Cordially, Rob

I was criticizing not you, but the platform of the Republican Party, which pays lip-service to the Pro-Life Movement, and has no concept of social responsibility.