Sheriff Dupnik's criticism of political 'vitriol' resonates with public

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ronnie_bonigli said:
No only is Palin’s map garden variety political rhetoric
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Reasonable people may disagree on this…yet
ronnie bonigli:
but there’s NO evidence this nut even knew who Palin was or ever read her blog. Not to mention he first started threatening Gabrielle Giffords in 2007, long before ***anyone ***had heard of Palin.
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This is absolutely correct. Given what we now know, attempting to link this guy with any political movement is a terrible case of rash judgement.
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
Oh, and before people get all bent out of shape about Palin’s map, look at this one:

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/demmap.jpg?w=400&h=357

Note use of the word “target” “Enemy” and the use of a BULLSEYE TARGET.

Compare to Palin’s

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/01/09/1225984/663314-palin-map.jpg

indiscriminate crosshairs with the slogan to “reload” as reported by other sources.If we’re gunna blame violent rhetoric, why just the right?
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I suspect it will not be long before they started accusing Sarah Palin of plagiarism:)
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
If this is true, then why aren’t people coming down just as much for instances of Obama okaying anger? Or calling americans “enemies” or telling people to get “get in their face?” Where was the hooplah when a museum featured a statue of Sarah Palin and her daughter with a hunting rifle to her head? Where was the outcry when buttons and bumper stickers were sold in VALUE PACKS that said “kill Bush”

Double standard much? I think a statue of a hunting rifle to a woman’s head is far more subversive than surveying crosshairs on a map. :rolleyes:

If we’re going to blame people for the heated political discourse causing this, then lets looks at it from both sides, and not listen to the people on the airwaves who said (and I quote) that most violence is from the right.
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Looking at both sides is fine and warranted. Washing our hands of the issue is not. Making excuses for Palin’s divisive rhetoric isn’t either. She may have ambition as her excuse - what’s ours?
 
seekerz said:
Looking at both sides is fine and warranted. Washing our hands of the issue is not. Making excuses for Palin’s divisive rhetoric isn’t either. She may have ambition as her excuse - what’s ours?
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WHy just go after Palin? Look at my above post. She isn’t even original!
 
seekerz said:
Looking at both sides is fine and warranted. Washing our hands of the issue is not. Making excuses for Palin’s divisive rhetoric isn’t either. She may have ambition as her excuse - what’s ours?
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You have the whole thing backwards, The left may have these immoral machiavellian political motivations in trying to turn a tragedy where an apolitical nut killed a bunch of human beings into a political weapon to try and damage their foes as an excuse - but what’s “ours”?

** I say “ours” to be generic even though most on this thread have deplored that strategy
 
seekerz said:
I’m not sure what the fuss is all about; methinks there is too much protest from those who spread and encourage (or refuse to condemn) the angry rhetoric. The poor congresswoman was made a target - that much is a fact - and by more than one individual; whether or not that led to her being shot is quite another story.

This is different from a whole group being blamed because one of their members did something - this is about a whole group being blamed because they were cautioned time and again that their rhetoric was dangerous and could incite the lunatic fringe to lunacy.

Seems to me I remember a shooting of a law enforcement officer near the Arizona border, being blamed on illegal immigrants (around the time of the hoopla of the ‘papers please’ law). Most of the press jumped on that bandwagon - I didn’t hear anyone asking to wait for the details to be verified then and the doubt later cast on the original story barely merited a short mention on the networks.
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WHat are you talking about? The details are clear - Laughner murdered those people.

Its the motivation that people need to wait on.

The rhetoric on the left is equally as vitriolic. Quotes have already been posted. If you won’t admit that, there is no point of posting on here.

Obama called for no rushing to judgement after the Fort Hood shooting, even after Hassan yelled “Allah Ackbar!”

To my knowledge, Loughner didn’t yell “This ones for Sarah!!”, and yet, the attacks come out.

If you want to condemn violent rhetoric, great. Just point out examples on both sides and you’ll be okay.

And as an aside but still related, I’d say voicing open support for abortion is the most violent rhetoric there is. Sadly, the people in this country are so desensitized to it, that the murder of these poor people, as horrible as it is, gets way more press.

The poor nine-year old girl at least lived until she was nine. Some would have slaughtered her in the womb negating even those wonderful years she had.
 
seekerz said:
Looking at both sides is fine and warranted. Washing our hands of the issue is not. Making excuses for Palin’s divisive rhetoric isn’t either. She may have ambition as her excuse - what’s ours?
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Of course her rhetoric is divisive. She has profound differences in what she believes is best for this country than her opponents do, as do I. This is why we have different political parties. Like her I don’t want to get along with the Left as I find the their ideas repugnant. I am at a loss as to why anyone should have to apologize for vigorously stating her oppostion to the positions of others.

No one is suggesting we wash are hands of the issue. What we are suggesting is vigorous political dissent is good for the country and had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this kook shooting people at a Safeway. The real disgusting part of this whole issue is how those on the Left are trying to use this tragedy for political advantage. Shame on them. Shame on them. Shame on them.
 
catsrus said:
Exactly. From** YOUR** experience.
This statement is nothing but partisan opinion and malarky to boot.
It’s six of one and a half dozen of the other.
Most politics in these last years has been nothing but hate, hate and more hate and even more lies and biased opinion no matter which side of the fence you come down on.
Comments like this just add fuel to the fire. :mad:
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I bet I can show you up to six instances where libs have jumped the gun on tragic events and blamed them on conservatives(and were wrong) within 24 hours.

Can you show me half a dozen where conservatives have done the same thing to libs?

It is my opinion that your opinion of my opinion is malarkey as well. See how that works?
 
estesbob said:
Of course her rhetoric is divisive. She has profound differences in what she believes is best for this country than her opponents do, as do I. This is why we have different political parties. Like her I don’t want to get along with the Left as I find the their ideas repugnant. I am at a loss as to why anyone should have to apologize for vigorously stating her oppostion to the positions of others.

No one is suggesting we wash are hands of the issue. What we are suggesting is vigorous political dissent is good for the country and had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this kook shooting people at a Safeway. The real disgusting part of this whole issue is how those on the Left are trying to use this tragedy for political advantage. Shame on them. Shame on them. Shame on them.
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Palin has NEVER called for death or for violence. NEVER.

The left hates her so much they cant see straight. To the point of blaming her before the shooters name was ever mentioned.

They are shameful… and thankfully… clear thinking people can see once again… what the left is all about.

This ridiculous sheriff putting his political views ahead of his first job… (investigating a mass murder)… has actually helped the defense! Defense attorneys and police officers called in to talk radio today to inform us all of that. Way to go Sheriff… a 9 year old was murdered… but as long as he got to make some political hay … that’s all that mattered. Typical left.
 
This McCarthyism of the left - devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data - is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral weakness and bad sociology.

George Will
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*A conservative pundit on Monday ripped liberals who have suggested that Sarah Palin is to blame for the shooting tragedy in Arizona. During an appearance on C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal,” Bill Kristol of the conservative-leaning Weekly Standard magazine called the criticism of the former Alaska governor **“a disgrace.” ***

He said there is no proof that Jared Loughner, the suspect, was a fan of Palin or went to her website, which had labeled Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and other Democrats a political target last year; it was illustrated with a graphic of crosshairs that has triggered a political debate….

Kristol said those who are blaming Palin, such as Paul Krugman of The New York Times , are practicing “McCarthyism.”

"The attempt to exploit this tragedy is distasteful," Kristol said.

He added that both parties have used words like “targets” in seeking to win political campaigns. And Loughner doesn’t appear to have been involved in partisan politics, he said.

This morning on C-Span
 
From the article:

“The kind of rhetoric that flows from people like Michael Moore, in my judgment he is irresponsible, uses partial information, sometimes wrong information,” Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said today. “[Moore] attacks people, angers them against government, angers them against elected officials and that kind of behavior in my opinion is not without consequences.”
 
Apollos said:
From the article:

“The kind of rhetoric that flows from people like Michael Moore, in my judgment he is irresponsible, uses partial information, sometimes wrong information,” Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said today. “[Moore] attacks people, angers them against government, angers them against elected officials and that kind of behavior in my opinion is not without consequences.”
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What are you talking about Moore isn’t mentioned in this article.
 
I think irregardless of the motive in this latest Tuscon incident, it probably wouldn’t hurt if the rhetoric the sheriff referred to is tuned down a bit so we don’t have a future incident with a motive related to the rhetoric.
 
I feel like its 1995 again! No proof of anything but blame Limbaugh. Didnt they learn from all the times they have been wrong?They never apologize to those they smear with the blood of others either! Dont jump to conclusions about Hassan, Times Square or Christmas bomber motives but before the smoke clears on this shooting, blame the right. Does anyone really believe them or trust them when they speculate wildly like that?
You can make a movie (and write a book) about murdering President Bush, not some generic President, but that is not violent rhetoric. Spend 8 yrs calling someone Hitler, liar, warmonger, baby killer, etc but that is ok. Michael Moore, dont even get me started! But he is ok & “speaking truth to power” but somehow everyone & everything on the other side is an irresponsible hatemonger spewing hatred, creating a climate of hate, etc etc etc. The “hate” is disagreeing with them! Somehow only crazy right wingers would ever commit an act of violence, despite all evidence to the contrary! Im sorry, I am frustrated.
This kid was crazy, probably schizophrenic, he has had issues for a few years & was removed from school because he made people think he was going to go postal. There is no evidence that he had ANY connection to any right or left political movement, yet it is jumped all over & innocent people are smeared with ****. I have had experiences with schizophrenics & had a friend brutally murdered by one she was trying to help. I can understand how the people felt around him.

Shame, shame & I am praying for those who are using this senseless tragedy for their own political agenda. God have mercy on them & God forgive them. People DIED, a child DIED & all they want do is speculate about Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin?! Why dont they speculate about how deinstitutionalization led to having so many severely mentally ill walking among us? The sheriff didnt even begin investigating yet when he made up his mind that it must be right wing rhetoric. Irresponsible, stupid & sad.
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Autdrew – read what you just wrote. OMG, the amount of anger you just spouted off is the point exactly. It isn’t who its about – the problem is all this rage will create nothing but more trouble. Maybe you should pray for a better answer than throwing a hissy fit.
 
estesbob said:
Of course her rhetoric is divisive. She has profound differences in what she believes is best for this country than her opponents do, as do I. This is why we have different political parties. Like her I don’t want to get along with the Left as I find the their ideas repugnant. I am at a loss as to why anyone should have to apologize for vigorously stating her oppostion to the positions of others.

No one is suggesting we wash are hands of the issue. What we are suggesting is vigorous political dissent is good for the country and had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this kook shooting people at a Safeway. The real disgusting part of this whole issue is how those on the Left are trying to use this tragedy for political advantage. Shame on them. Shame on them. Shame on them.
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It looks like Gabby Giffords did not agree with you, at least if we look at her interview of March 2010 on MSNBC:
GIFFORDS: Community leaders, figures in our community need to say “look, we can’t stand for this.” This is a situation where — people don’t — they really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up and, you know, even things, for example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list. But the thing is that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action.

TODD: But in fairness, campaign rhetoric and war rhetoric have been interchangeable for years. And so that’s — is there not, is there a line here? I understand that in the oment it may look bad, but do you really think that’s what she intended?

GIFFORDS: You know, I can’t say, I’m not Sarah Palin. But I can say that in the years that some of my colleagues have served — 20, 30 years — they’ve never seen it like this
 
I have been in control of myself for 3 days now & I came here hoping to read prayerful introspection & I read this sadness. This was my 1st outburst & I apologize if that caused you offense. This was just the last place I expected this sort of speculation.😦
I think we should be angry that this terrible tragedy is being used politically. That is what is angering me & making me sad.
 
I’m sure I’m not the only non-American deeply worried about the state of carpets and other floor coverings in the US.
 
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