Sheriff Dupnik's criticism of political 'vitriol' resonates with public

[qui_est_ce]

What do you expect when Michelle Bachman saying that she wants her supporters armed and dangerous?

What do you expect when Sharron Angle says Americans will have to resort to 2nd amendment remedies? In a developed country!

What do you expect when people vandalize congressional offices in response to health care reform?

I don’t know if this guy is far right wing, but I think he’s been manipulated by right wing talking points

Do you really think Sharron Angle is calling for the murder of her opposition?

After my dad was shot and killed, I had to consciously correct myself from saying “I’ gonna kill him.” every time I got angry with someone.

I think the majority of Americans would not resort to murder because a politician says to “target” the opposition.

That’s what I expect.

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

What do you expect when Michelle Bachman saying that she wants her supporters armed and dangerous?

What do you expect when Sharron Angle says Americans will have to resort to 2nd amendment remedies? In a developed country!

What do you expect when people vandalize congressional offices in response to health care reform?

I don’t know if this guy is far right wing, but I think he’s been manipulated by right wing talking points

You havent read anything on this thread have you? Have you bothered at all to see all the rhetoric the left has said?

If you honestly think this mentally unstable guy was coherent enough to even know who Michelle Bachman or Sharon Angle is… you are giving a lunatic a lot more credit than any fair minded person ever would.

your ideology is guiding you instead of a clear thinking.

He was a registered independent who didnt vote in the mid terms… but dont let that stop the left from politicizing a tragedy.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Laughner was known to Sheriff Dupnik.

Sheriff Dupnik could have prevented this tragedy any time over the past three years because of the many death threats made by the defendant, Laughner, and because the Sheriff could have denied Laughner the permit to purchase the pistol.

All law enforcement officials have an obligation to say and do nothing prejudicial to the legal case against a defendant. In this case, the sheriff has made so many statements that he has just about provided a complete defense for the defendant.

Sheriff Dupnik is the chief law enforcement officer of Pima county and whereas it appears he is unable to do the job, then he should resign the office of sheriff.

 

[FromTheAshes777]

We can only hope. I found one poll on a left wing blog for readers to vote as to how much blame the Tea Party should shoulder from this tragedy.

What a golden opportunity they have and of course, will capitalize on it to the fullest to shut down their political foes while taking attention completely away from the victims.

considering this young man’s reading list, I think I am going to put up a poll on a blog asking how much blame Carl Marx and Che Guevara should shoulder for this tragedy

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Sheriff Dupnik could have prevented this tragedy any time over the past three years because of the many death threats made by the defendant, Laughner, and because the Sheriff could have denied Laughner the permit to purchase the pistol.

“Dupnik ould have prevented this tragedy…” Hindsight is great, ain’t it? And, pointing fingers is wonderful, too.

What I know is that they have the shooter, he’s going to be tried, will be found guilty, and will be in prison for life if he doesn’t get condemned to death. End of story for me. And, the Right and the Left will continue to make political hay out of what happened.

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

considering this young man’s reading list, I think I am going to put up a poll on a blog asking how much blame Carl Marx and Che Guevara should shoulder for this tragedy

Bill Maher was on CNN (yes, CNN thinks a comedians opinion should mean something)
He blames Glenn Beck because this mentally disturbed kid talked about the gold standard.
(when actually this kid didnt want to use money that said 'in God we trust on it)
Glenn Beck has gold line as a sponsor so… that’s his logical connection.

With that ridiculous logic… this kid was also an atheist, Bill Maher is an athiest so… its Bill Mahers fault.

CNN probably has lots of meetings wondering why nobody watches them.

 

[seekerz]

Do you really think Sharron Angle is calling for the murder of her opposition?

After my dad was shot and killed, I had to consciously correct myself from saying “I’ gonna kill him.” every time I got angry with someone.

I think the majority of Americans would not resort to murder because a politician says to “target” the opposition.

That’s what I expect.

As long as we continue (on either side) to make excuses for unacceptable rhetoric, it will never stop. Your example and Angle’s are totally different - what makes them different is the context and the prevailing atmosphere.

By atmosphere, I mean the tactic that is a little more than subliminal in politics today, where the language of violence is used (not so subtly) to arouse the basest of emotions in people,

the atmosphere where an opponent is an enemy because he/she doesn’t share your beliefs,

the atmosphere where Christians in some settings choke on words of thanksgiving to God for Giffords’ miraculous survival,

the atmosphere where a poltician has angry, violent words directed at him for supporting health reform by people supposed to be Christians with token or no condemnation (ditto for publicly calling the highest secular authority figure in the land a liar),

the atmosphere in which words like murderer and Hitler are considered justified of opponents,

and the atmosphere where a seemingly endless cycle of fear propagation is used to whip up the political/religious base…I could go on but why bother?

We don’t need the context of this incident to discuss these very real problems. What happened when the governing party in opposition may not have been palatable either, but that is no reason to put on blinders.

Maybe I should stop here because the last time I pointed out the dangerous, beneath the surface, inciting-to-fear-using-language-of-violence, someone reported me and I got suspended. That was after viewing a program where Glen Beck clearly suggested that a Republican lawmaker’s life was at risk from unnamed forces, when absolutely no basis for that suggestion was given by him (or ever existed to my knowledge).

 

[tomarin]

It is a myth that somehow the discourse today is more hateful or rougher than was in the past.

So true! I once read a book about Walt Whitman and the cultural world of 1850’s America and the vitriol it portrayed made today’s “heated rhetoric” seem more like lukewarm rhetoric. I am always puzzled when I encounter this notion that today’s politics is nastier than in previous eras.

 

[FromTheAshes777]

“Dupnik ould have prevented this tragedy…” Hindsight is great, ain’t it? And, pointing fingers is wonderful, too.

What I know is that they have the shooter, he’s going to be tried, will be found guilty, and will be in prison for life if he doesn’t get condemned to death. End of story for me. And, the Right and the Left will continue to make political hay out of what happened.

I think though what most of us are disgusted with, Rich, is that the conservatives aren’t making any political hay out of this tragedy at all, only those on the left are.

Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Tea Party leaders have all only stated that we need to pray for and support the victims and have expressed their sorrow and condolences for the community.

I commend President Obama for doing the same as well in not making this tragedy a political issue. When people are murdered it goes above and beyond politics. We should recognize this as a crime against humanity committed by a mad man. There is zero evidence that rhetoric from any one associated with sane politics influenced this young man.

I only wish that others of the President’s political persuasion would follow his example. Commentators on the left are the only ones making any political hay out of this, and they have no facts of any kind to back up what they are suggesting.

It’s sad, shameful, and takes away the dignity of all of the victims.

 

[ishii]

“Dupnik ould have prevented this tragedy…” Hindsight is great, ain’t it? And, pointing fingers is wonderful, too.

What I know is that they have the shooter, he’s going to be tried, will be found guilty, and will be in prison for life if he doesn’t get condemned to death. End of story for me. And, the Right and the Left will continue to make political hay out of what happened.

How is the right making political hay out of what happened? The right has been accused by the left of helping cause this tragedy and they are merely defending themselves.

I will ask you again, can you give an example of where Republicans have made political hay of a similar tragedy like this one? Such as blaming the actions of a deranged murderer on liberal Democrats? Let me know if you find one. So far your silence is quite telling.

Ishii

 

[estesbob]

What do you expect when Michelle Bachman saying that she wants her supporters armed and dangerous?

What do you expect when Sharron Angle says Americans will have to resort to 2nd amendment remedies? In a developed country!

What do you expect when people vandalize congressional offices in response to health care reform?

I don’t know if this guy is far right wing, but I think he’s been manipulated by right wing talking points

What do you expect when the Presdient of the United States says the following:

If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’

“Get in Their Faces!”

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

“Hit Back Twice As Hard”

“We talk to these folks… so I know whose *** to kick.“

“hand to hand combat”

“It’s time to Fight for it.”

“Punish your enemies.”

“I’m itching for a fight.”

I don’t know if this guy is far left wing, but I think he’s been manipulated by Preseidnt Obamas talking points

 

[SamH]

What I know is that they have the shooter, he’s going to be tried, will be found guilty, and will be in prison for life if he doesn’t get condemned to death. End of story for me. And, the Right and the Left will continue to make political hay out of what happened.

If Dupnik hasn’t already ruined the case.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

So far your silence is quite telling.

LOL!! I posted what I said not 20 miunutes ago, and you consider my “silence” telling. Sorry, but I don’t jump through anyone’s hoops.

 

[estesbob]

As long as we continue (on either side) to make excuses for unacceptable rhetoric, it will never stop. Your example and Angle’s are totally different - what makes them different is the context and the prevailing atmosphere.

By atmosphere, I mean the tactic that is a little more than subliminal in politics today, where the language of violence is used (not so subtly) to arouse the basest of emotions in people,

the atmosphere where an opponent is an enemy because he/she doesn’t share your beliefs,

the atmosphere where Christians in some settings choke on words of thanksgiving to God for Giffords’ miraculous survival,

the atmosphere where a poltician has angry, violent words directed at him for supporting health reform by people supposed to be Christians with token or no condemnation (ditto for publicly calling the highest secular authority figure in the land a liar),

the atmosphere in which words like murderer and Hitler are considered justified of opponents,

and the atmosphere where a seemingly endless cycle of fear propagation is used to whip up the political/religious base…I could go on but why bother?

We don’t need the context of this incident to discuss these very real problems. What happened when the governing party in opposition may not have been palatable either, but that is no reason to put on blinders.

Maybe I should stop here because the last time I pointed out the dangerous, beneath the surface, inciting-to-fear-using-language-of-violence, someone reported me and I got suspended. That was after viewing a program where Glen Beck clearly suggested that a Republican lawmaker’s life was at risk from unnamed forces, when absolutely no basis for that suggestion was given by him (or ever existed to my knowledge).

Yes it is unfortunate that the president made so many inexcusable remarks that led this unhinged man to resort to violence.

See that’s easy. Anybody can take a tragedy and use it to advance their political views.

 

[ishii]

the atmosphere where Christians in some settings choke on words of thanksgiving to God for Giffords’ miraculous survival,
).

I hadn’t heard about this. Where has this happened?

Ishii

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

If Dupnik hasn’t already ruined the case.

No. He’s not the prosecutor and his “prejudicial” statements won’t overcome the overwhelming evidence against the perp.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Anybody can take a tragedy and use it to advance their political views.

Yup. Another rare incident of our being in agreement.

Going by most of the remarks on this thread, one might think that only Democrats are guilty of advancing ther political views unfairly. I seem to remember Lee Atwater of Dirty Tricks fame. Which is not to say that either party countenances such, but to say that there are those on both sides whose sense of ethics is somewhat deficient.

 

[ishii]

LOL!! I posted what I said not 20 miunutes ago, and you consider my “silence” telling. Sorry, but I don’t jump through anyone’s hoops.

Rich, you wrote this: "Oh, come now. It’s just the Democrats who try to make political hay out of such things? The GOP has been and is now wholly without sin? Give me a break!"

And this: "The Dems were being criticized all through the thread for supposedly taking advantage of a political crisis. I said that the GOP did the same. Remember Lee Atwater and the Dirty Tricks Department?"

I and another poster have posed the question: can you point to a similar example in which the right exploited a tragedy such as this recent murder to score cheap political hay by blaming liberals? So far you haven’t provided any specific examples. It is that silence to which I am referring.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

Yup. Another rare incident of our being in agreement.

Going by most of the remarks on this thread, one might think that only Democrats are guilty of advancing ther political views unfairly. I seem to remember Lee Atwater of Dirty Tricks fame. Which is not to say that either party countenances such, but to say that there are those on both sides whose sense of ethics is somewhat deficient.

Lee Atwater blamed liberals for a deranged murderer? Its one thing to play hardball politics, and sometimes its done “unfairly”. But its quite another to take a tragedy like this and immediately, with not evidence whatsoever, blame the right for it.

Ishii

 

[estesbob]

I hadn’t heard about this. Where has this happened?

Ishii

I am sure someone will dig up some quote from someone like Fred Phelps and claim that is indicative of all Conservatives.it does appear that the Lefts strategy is backfiring as it become more and more apparent that this guy is apolitical