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grotto
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Pretty sure we wonāt be seeing the winning cartoon on CA!
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Pretty sure we wonāt be seeing the winning cartoon on CA!
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Iconodule
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In the not so distant past, when New York museums displayed a pornographic picture of a woman that was smeared with elephant excrement and titled 'The Mother of God", and a crucifix in jars of human urine, we were told that such artistic expressions are vital in a free society. Catholics did not kill anyone over these 'vital expressions of artistic voice", nor over any of these:
1 - Naples, FL - the exhibt āConfrontational Clayā included a piece that featured a toilet, topped by a statue of the Sacred Heart wearing a Mickey Mouse hat.
2 - New York, NY ā The play āThe Pope and the Witchā at the Theatre for the New City in New Yorkās East Village. Newsday described the play as involving āa heroin-addicted, paranoid Pope called John Paul II.
3 - Baltimore, MD - an exhibit titled āProfanity Popā, where artist JosĆ© Rodolfo Loaiza Ontiveros reworked Disney characters, such as a Virgin Mary Daisy Duck looking distressed at a pregnancy test, and Pope Francis conducting a wedding for two Disney princes. Ontiveros described his collection as a ācelebration of creative freedom in our time.ā Cosmopolitan Magazine said the images ājust feel rightā. Huffington Post writer Priscilla Frank described the collection as āWonderfulā. Makes one wonder how theyād describe Disney characters mocking Islam.
Point being, we are a society that values freedom of expression, or we are not. Yes, the motivations on both sides are wrong. People should not degrade the beliefs of others, but that boat sailed a long time ago.
The question before us now is how do we respond to Islamic aggression? Islam means āsubmissionā, and Islam will not tolerate our values. If history teaches us anything about how Islam operates, one only has to look at what they did to the Eastern Church. The parallels are not hard to identify.
1 - Naples, FL - the exhibt āConfrontational Clayā included a piece that featured a toilet, topped by a statue of the Sacred Heart wearing a Mickey Mouse hat.
2 - New York, NY ā The play āThe Pope and the Witchā at the Theatre for the New City in New Yorkās East Village. Newsday described the play as involving āa heroin-addicted, paranoid Pope called John Paul II.
3 - Baltimore, MD - an exhibit titled āProfanity Popā, where artist JosĆ© Rodolfo Loaiza Ontiveros reworked Disney characters, such as a Virgin Mary Daisy Duck looking distressed at a pregnancy test, and Pope Francis conducting a wedding for two Disney princes. Ontiveros described his collection as a ācelebration of creative freedom in our time.ā Cosmopolitan Magazine said the images ājust feel rightā. Huffington Post writer Priscilla Frank described the collection as āWonderfulā. Makes one wonder how theyād describe Disney characters mocking Islam.
Point being, we are a society that values freedom of expression, or we are not. Yes, the motivations on both sides are wrong. People should not degrade the beliefs of others, but that boat sailed a long time ago.
The question before us now is how do we respond to Islamic aggression? Islam means āsubmissionā, and Islam will not tolerate our values. If history teaches us anything about how Islam operates, one only has to look at what they did to the Eastern Church. The parallels are not hard to identify.
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ringil
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You may not see a problem with this but the Holy Father has spoken on purposeful efforts to denigrate the faiths of others.
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Iconodule
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It would seem that non-Catholics donāt listen to what His All Holiness has to say on the matter.
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Darryl1958
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I know.
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Path_Finder
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And what Iām curious about is who decides what is offensive??
I am sure, in fact, I think I have seen religious jokes and we just laugh at ourselves.
There are a number of anti-Christian movies out there and art as well, I wonder if the Southern Poverty Law Center issues condemnations of these?
Salon, the website published a revolting article last week, thatās not the first time theyāve essentially been āanti-Christianā, one wonders where the criticism is for this? And there are many other cases.
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TEPO
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If I were to paint a picture of Mohammed, within the privacy of my own home, would I be denigrating the faiths of others?
ā¦Also, how many Muslims were invited to the contest?
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Thermopylae
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Path_Finder
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Not to me but how about these archaeological statues that ISIS has destroyed, do they somehow have this right as apparently they feel it is against their religion or offends them??If I were to paint a picture of Mohammed, within the privacy of my own home, would I be denigrating the faiths of others?
ā¦Also, how many Muslims were invited to the contest?
This is where this becomes a slippery slope.
Also, in this sense, I can see why some people are saying that this in a way is like a Sharia law.
Nonetheless, I do feel we should be respectful of all religions.
But one of the first incidences of this offending people was when a Danish cartoonist made an editorial cartoon maybe as long ago as 20 years ago. In that vein, Iām not sure that was wrong to do just like, all things being equal, cartoons of political figures or some religious figures does not appear to be egregious.
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Seamus_L
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ISIL is claiming responsibility sputniknews.com/us/20150504/1021685151.html
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Orogeny
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Who was more wrong, in your opinion, the group that organized the show or the men who planned to kill them?
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elsker
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What I feel that the creators, organizers and
participants of these events fail to understand is that the mocking of any faith is to diminish all faiths and once that work is complete what else will be torn down?
If I stand back and look at whatās being done (not just to whom) I start to see what will become a pattern of taking what is meaningful to people and identifiable with organized groups of people and systematically destroying collective identities in the belief that by getting rid of what binds us together we will no longer be a threat to one another. What is hoped is at the end of this scheme the only things human beings will be allowed to claim is ethnicity and language but nothing else that could unite a group under a shared identity.
I am thinking of the lyrics of āImagineā. If you look at what Lennonās dream version of humanity consist of, it is a humanity of disconnected individuals with nothing to join them together but the shared emotion of āloveā. No religion, conflict, governmental, national, etc. identity. If Lennon had lived today he might thrown in, āno gender to define us-no him and her just you and Iā.
Some people are so afraid of being offended, feeling pain, having to wrestle with the question of right and wrong and ultimately having to stand up for what they have a right to believe that they would rather we all be forced to live in a sterile world where nothing is sacred, no one is allowed to speak in ways that might offend and the search for truth is boiled down to the idea that there should be no differences in anyone. Nothing that āthreatensā in any way.
If this is accomplished and this neutralized humanity is achieved what would be the point of being human? We shouldnāt just live to war with one another or to hate for itās own sake but living to just be passive and docile will result in a species devoid of feelings including the āloveā that Lennon was so fond of upholding as the bedrock of his sought after utopia. Utopia is not something we achieve in life on earth and no matter what we do to manipulate humanity we will never achieve universal, collective perfection.
āImagineā
Imagine thereās no heaven
Itās easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for todayā¦
Imagine thereās no countries
It isnāt hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peaceā¦
You may say Iām a dreamer
But Iām not the only one
I hope someday youāll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the worldā¦
You may say Iām a dreamer
But Iām not the only one
I hope someday youāll join us
And the world will live as one
participants of these events fail to understand is that the mocking of any faith is to diminish all faiths and once that work is complete what else will be torn down?
If I stand back and look at whatās being done (not just to whom) I start to see what will become a pattern of taking what is meaningful to people and identifiable with organized groups of people and systematically destroying collective identities in the belief that by getting rid of what binds us together we will no longer be a threat to one another. What is hoped is at the end of this scheme the only things human beings will be allowed to claim is ethnicity and language but nothing else that could unite a group under a shared identity.
I am thinking of the lyrics of āImagineā. If you look at what Lennonās dream version of humanity consist of, it is a humanity of disconnected individuals with nothing to join them together but the shared emotion of āloveā. No religion, conflict, governmental, national, etc. identity. If Lennon had lived today he might thrown in, āno gender to define us-no him and her just you and Iā.
Some people are so afraid of being offended, feeling pain, having to wrestle with the question of right and wrong and ultimately having to stand up for what they have a right to believe that they would rather we all be forced to live in a sterile world where nothing is sacred, no one is allowed to speak in ways that might offend and the search for truth is boiled down to the idea that there should be no differences in anyone. Nothing that āthreatensā in any way.
If this is accomplished and this neutralized humanity is achieved what would be the point of being human? We shouldnāt just live to war with one another or to hate for itās own sake but living to just be passive and docile will result in a species devoid of feelings including the āloveā that Lennon was so fond of upholding as the bedrock of his sought after utopia. Utopia is not something we achieve in life on earth and no matter what we do to manipulate humanity we will never achieve universal, collective perfection.
āImagineā
Imagine thereās no heaven
Itās easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for todayā¦
Imagine thereās no countries
It isnāt hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peaceā¦
You may say Iām a dreamer
But Iām not the only one
I hope someday youāll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the worldā¦
You may say Iām a dreamer
But Iām not the only one
I hope someday youāll join us
And the world will live as one
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Path_Finder
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But for a lot of the Extremists, letās not forget that merely a portrait of Mohamed is offensive; so even if one did a respectful depiction of him, that is still wrong to a number of persons.
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styrgwillidar
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Well, his Holiness has a problem because to many folks-- support for any other religion or viewpoint is āhate speechā against Islam.
Their goal is for all of us to sit down, shut up, and convert.
Saying I am a Christian and reject Islam is āhate speechā.
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ucfengr
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The dubious point that people shouldnāt be shot for drawing a caricature of Mohammed? Iām not sure Iād agree with your characterization. Would you similarly defend a Catholic for shooting someone who drew an unflattering caricature of the Blessed Mother? It is funny that a group that has no known record of violence or even advocating violence is labeled a āhate groupā.
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styrgwillidar
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Yeah, interesting that Christians can be fined $135K for refusing to sell their services to celebrate a ceremony that violates their religious beliefs. And in fact the Christian baker or florist is labeled hateful for doing soā¦
But Muslims are justified in shooting and killing folks who simply make statements or create drawings that challeng their religious beliefs. Kind of like saying the girl had it coming for wearing a short skirt.
Interesting and fairly twisted logic there.
Hereās an idea-- adults shouldnāt physically attack each other over words or images. Regardless of what the words or ideas are. That the appropriate and only acceptable response and antidote to hateful or wrong speech-- is more and better speech.
Hateful speech will very rapidly be defined by the persons wielding the guns and willing to use them- and it will be pretty much any criticism of any kind.
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anthony022071
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It isnāt diminishing all faiths. All faiths are not connected to each other. False religions are not equal with true religion and we are not morally obliged to treat them as if they were.
That may be the goal of socialists and āglobal elitesā who promote world government,but that isnāt the goal of goofy cartoonists.
That song expresses the dreary,materialistic world-view of socialism.
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didymus
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Here is the winner from Pamela Gellerās site, peopleās choice and jury prize:
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Mohammad-Contest-Drawing-1-small.jpg
I think this one is much better:
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/drawmuhammadfinal700.jpg
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Iconodule
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Every year the Iranian newspaper Hamshahri holds a Holocaust Cartoon Contest to challenge Western accounts of the Holocaust.
It doesnāt get much press, because the Jews donāt shoot it up.
It doesnāt get much press, because the Jews donāt shoot it up.
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anthony022071
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It isnāt diminishing all faiths. All faiths are not connected to each other. False religions are not equal with true religion and we are not morally obliged to treat them as if they were.
That may be the goal of socialists and āglobal elitesā who promote world government,but that isnāt the goal of goofy cartoonists.
That song expresses the dreary,materialist ideal of socialism.
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