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frobert
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Yes you can. I am truly sorry for you that you believe it is Christian to insult someone’s religious symbols.
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estesbob
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You are not very tolerant towards Miss Geller. Your view of “Separation” of the issues is merely asserting that free-speech should be limited based upon someone’s definition of hate. And of course that definition of hate has to come from the liberal elite who are much wiser about such things than the rest of us bigots. .
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grotto
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That’s nice. /There is a difference between a pacifist and a defender. If you have found your blessed life to allow you to be tolerant, you may thank your fellow Americans that have defended you from those you do not recognize as a threat and danger to your lifestyle. You might be a “conscientious objector”, a member of communities such as the Quakers, Amish, etc. Our Constitution of the United States provides for such freedom and does not require these people to bear arms and fight war. As you have been allowed this freedom do not denigrate the freedom of those who defend it!
Would you feel motivated to be tolerant of anyone that stomps, mutilates and defecates on the American flag, the symbol of our freedom defended? If so, ducking is allowed!
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SuperLuigi
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Group? I’m not talking about groups, I’m talking about individuals.What specific
organization are you talking about that is considered hate groups because they promote free speech?
In response to a comment that Geller’s free speech group is a hate group because they dared to offend Muslims.
Your innuendo is totally unsupported. What specific gay rights group supports appeasing radical Islam?
But even if I were, if Muslims started marching in the streets of North American against gay rights, what group would have the stomach to publicly speak out against them?
And specifically, all I need to do is look at the posting history of various accounts on this site to see them defending Islam tooth and nail on one thread even after a radical Islamic terror attack, and then telling Christian bakeries they have to service a gay wedding in the name of “equality”.
But that behavior goes way beyond here.
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gilliam
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…the fury against Pamela Geller is motivated mostly by fear — by the understanding that there are indeed many, many Muslims who believe that blasphemy should be punished with death, and who put that belief into practice. It’s motivated by the fear that our alliances with even “friendly” Muslim states and “allied” Muslim militias are so fragile that something so insignificant as a cartoon would drive them either to neutrality or straight into the arms of ISIS.
Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/418058/pamela-gellers-critics-are-proving-her-point-david-french
Geller calls it a type of bigotry and she is probably right.
Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/418058/pamela-gellers-critics-are-proving-her-point-david-french
Geller calls it a type of bigotry and she is probably right.
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SuperLuigi
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Well, there’s that, but it’s also about scoring points with people who are different and keeping the ever-fragile liberal voting base in tact.
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josie_L
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Oh, I’m well aware of the double standards, but again, my point is not in reference to double standards so much as the effectiveness of depicting Mohammad as a means of criticizing Islam.
I don’t care what the world thinks, i.e., I care about what God thinks, and that is what is forming my opinion on this matter.
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TEPO
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I watched the entire video. One of the Muslim students shouted “thank God” when Pamela made the claim that ISIS has increased in size. Muslim students were allowed special privileges for being allowed the first seats -so the entire audience was basically Muslim. She was heckled practically the entire time by the radical Islamists that attend that university… “It used to be a good school” Pamela said.
I wonder if the school will get bombed now for housing her speech?
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grotto
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If you did not care what the world thinks, would you bother to share your opinion and knowledge with others?
Methinks, you DO care what you think and want to have know. What is wrong with that?
You have that right to freedom in the U.S.A.
Methinks, you DO care what you think and want to have know. What is wrong with that?
You have that right to freedom in the U.S.A.
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TEPO
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"hundreds of millions of Muslims are not “moderate” by any reasonable definition of that word, and they will,in fact, allow themselves to be provoked by even the most insignificant and small-scale act of religious satire or defiance. After all, there are Muslim communities that will gladly burn Christians alive to punish even rumored blasphemy.
Our nation’s “elite” knows of the 88 percent support in Egypt for the death penalty for apostasy, and the 62 percent support in Pakistan. They know of the majority support for it in Malaysia, Jordan, and the Palestinian territories. They know that even when there’s not majority support for the death penalty for exercising one of the most basic of human rights — religious freedom — that large minorities still exercise considerable, and often violent, influence on their nations."
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TEPO
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As a Catholic, I support Pamela Geller in all that she does. She is Holy in what she does. She is a gift from God.
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estesbob
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I don’t support what she does but I support her right to do it.
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TEPO
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You should listen to her speech from Gilliams link. All the baloney people say about her is a distraction from the truth she speaks.
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josie_L
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I care in as much that I’m a part of this world, but my opinions are not formed by how the “world” thinks or what the “world” thinks of me.If you did not care what the world thinks, would you bother to share your opinion and knowledge with others?
Methinks, you DO care what you think and want to have know. What is wrong with that?
You have that right to freedom in the U.S.A.
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Darryl1958
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Pamela Geller is an enemy of ISIS and an enemy of militant Islam. The principle is that an enemy of my enemy is my friend, so really, what is there that’s not to support?
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josie_L
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I like that she is in fact not afraid to say it as it is, but I don’t always approve of her tactics, that being said, I have more respect for her than I do of people who bury their heads in the sand, while the world is being inundated by radical Islamists.
p.s. And I too like the article that Gillian linked from the National Review.
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estesbob
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I am never comfortable with mocking another’s faith.
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Darryl1958
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I am uncomfortable with people who feel the need to give any respect at all to the faith of Islamists. Mocking a faith that has reopened the slave market where young girls are sold as sex toys seems to me to be too mild a response actually.
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Eddie_Mac
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There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
There are only Muslims. They are either silent or vocal. The silent ones are supporting the vocal ones through their silence.
“…in what I have done and in what I have failed to do…”
There are only Muslims. They are either silent or vocal. The silent ones are supporting the vocal ones through their silence.
“…in what I have done and in what I have failed to do…”
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Path_Finder
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As you say, it is a thin line when the reason apparently for acting in these ways is ideologically tied to the faith.
Let’s say Same-Sex Marriage advocates dislike Christians using the Bible or other beliefs to be against Same-Sex Marriage. A cartoon protesting this ideology does not seem improper to me.
Portraying Christianity in other ways just to blaspheme it, I would take offense too but of course, in a limited way, the thing would be to organize a boycott or something against whom would do such.
The cartoons seem to strike a nerve. We don’t out of respect for this forum, put up the graphics but again, the original Danish cartoons years ago seem to be valid political commentary to me.
Not just gratuitously, mocking the faith.
To other commentary:
911 changed Geller a lot.
Like Judge Jeannine Pirro’s views when she ran for office, I would not be firm in my belief that Geller share’s say, pro-life views per her background. So I may not agree with all of her stances, it is mainly in this area, I contemplate what she has done.
I certainly don’t back gratuitous blasphemy of a religion, on the other hand, there was once the Aztec religion and human sacrifice. Just because it is a religion does not seem to mark it as beyond criticism.
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