Shooting, Explosion Reported in Paris

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mafh said:
Who are the atheist extremists? Do you mean things like Greenpeace and PETA? I’m not trying to be a smart aleck – I just don’t understand what you’re referring to.
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I would say those who are destroying marriage through redefinition in virtually every western country today are much more dangerous than any other group.
Atheists despise Christianity so much in fact that they do not even need to list one country where Christian extremism is a threat, not even in response to a post that listed dozens of countries where militant Islamists have become an existential threat.

The first wave of atheists under Marx ushered in an age of totalitarianism unlike anything that has ever been seen in world history. The next wave is no less totalitarian in its outlook, but understands that social change, and not change ushered in by the military under the barrel of a gun, are more useful ways of accomplishing goals.
 
pepipop said:
I thought they were all suicide missions, and why they are so dangerous - as they don’t need to survive, to fight another day.
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You are right. I did not know that all of them were suicide missions. So what for then ,as you say?
 
As tragic as this incident is, after the 2007 Riots, the 751 No Go Areas, the Charlie Hebdo Massacre, and the near train massacre that was thwarted by passengers, it certainly wasn’t unexpected.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
You should look at the big picture then. Plenty of nations have a Christian extremism problem.
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Like who? Central African Republic and India with a population of over a billion?

If one has the data, perhaps one can make a comparison of how many murders each has committed then. Is one insinuating the damage is actually similar?
 
If one is playing the game of trying to “lump all religions” together, then, all “secular” organizations’ murders should be under the same tent as well. Guerillas fighting anywhere which may encompass Syria if people always argue the government there is “secular”. At least, supporting militias. The “lump all religions together” ploy, is an insult to intelligence but have at it if one must try to say radicals in Christianity is as big of a threat to mankind as radicals in other religions. This is an old argument that seems to buttress criticism by trying to say all religions are this way.

The other side of the coin should be seen as well, this argument may be posed and not only does it equate the faiths, in ways, I’d say it excuses violence by the most violent.
 
7_Sorrows said:
could you name those nations with a source?
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We have been through this before and I think, the fact, this has been mentioned before means some obscure group in Uganda possibly, the Lord’s Army which certainly is a hybrid faith outfit or some extremists in India may have done something at one point. 3

It really is an insult to one’s intelligence and I would say one would have quite a bit of animosity to even tell people these things.

Still waiting how the murder rate of Christian Extremists and those of Extremists of other religions are comparable.

It is quite a disrespectful argument when there are pressing matters, where over a hundred people die every day in Syria, where planes are shot down, the Paris and Beirut attacks but it will make some people happy to say, “Oh look, there are Christian Extremists as well.” A rather ignominious statement to me.
 
Path_Finder said:
If one is playing the game of trying to “lump all religions” together, then, all “secular” organizations’ murders should be under the same tent as well. Guerillas fighting anywhere which may encompass Syria if people always argue the government there is “secular”. At least, supporting militias. The “lump all religions together” ploy, is an insult to intelligence but have at it if one must try to say radicals in Christianity is as big of a threat to mankind as radicals in other religions. This is an old argument that seems to buttress criticism by trying to say all religions are this way.

The other side of the coin should be seen as well, this argument may be posed and not only does it equate the faiths, in ways, I’d say it excuses violence by the most violent.
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How did I know the facts would be met with a bunch of excuses and deflection.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
How did I know the facts would be met with a bunch of excuses and deflection.
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Because I think one knows what was being posited is insulting to Christianity. And anyone looking at this logically knows that, if one is basically comparing Christianity to ISIS.
 
Furthermore, there is no deflection of facts and there are no excuses, one can say this about any argument. Speak for yourself. I would say bringing in a rather tasteless comparison of Christian extremists, the dozen or so there are to ISIS is only meant to be offensive and is a rather cruel statement.
 
I note too, concerning deflection, no comparison is made on the numbers of those killed by Christian extremists was given and comparing it to ISIS and other radicals’ murders. And doing this in a Catholic forum of all places.
 
Path_Finder said:
Because I think one knows what was being posited is insulting to Christianity. And anyone looking at this logically knows that, if one is basically comparing Christianity to ISIS.
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If you spent as much time researching the staggering levels of violence and human rights abuses faced by non-Christians at the hands of Christians as you do making excuses and trying to minimize it then you would also reach the conclusion that Christian extremism is just as dangerous as ISIS.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
If you spent as much time researching the staggering levels of violence and human rights abuses faced by non-Christians at the hands of Christians as you do making excuses and trying to minimize it then you would also reach the conclusion that Christian extremism is just as dangerous as ISIS.
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Please cease such statements “as you do making excuses”, this is close to an ad hominem attack and if you have evidence of such abuses by Christians in a thread that is about the Paris attacks, provide it. As I said, this is a bit of a conversation to derail the theme of the thread, it is not about Christians.
 
So? We have plenty of forums that can delve into the Middle Ages, this is about Current News, it is about an incident in Paris not about Christians in Uganda, the Inquisition or whatever.
 
Path_Finder said:
So? We have plenty of forums that can delve into the Middle Ages, this is about Current News, it is about an incident in Paris not about Christians in Uganda, the Inquisition or whatever.
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Smear Muslims and you reap what you sow. You started the conversation, but we can finish it elsewhere and talk about Christian attrocities the world over if you start another thread.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
If you spent as much time researching the staggering levels of violence and human rights abuses faced by non-Christians at the hands of Christians as you do making excuses and trying to minimize it then you would also reach the conclusion that Christian extremism is just as dangerous as ISIS.
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It seems that to reach that conclusion you have to include Hitler and Stalin, men who rejected Christianity before they began persecuting others, including Christians.
 
Trader said:
It seems that to reach that conclusion you have to include Hitler and Stalin, men who rejected Christianity before they began persecuting others, including Christians.
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Not necessary.
 
St. Genevieve, pray for your great city. St. Jeanne d’Arc, pray for your great nation.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Smear Muslims and you reap what you sow. You started the conversation, but we can finish it elsewhere and talk about Christian attrocities the world over if you start another thread.
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Out of line again, if one points out facts and there is no shortage of people who say the Middle East is on fire, again, an ad hom attack, I am smearing people. :tsktsk:

Furthermore, I say, talking about “perceived” Christian abuses and bringing it into a thread about an ISIS attack is just a diversion.

And yes, if one is actually bringing Christianity into a thread, it is to compare them to ISIS, I think that is quite unkind.

I am sorry if one has problems with free speech, perhaps discussion forums are not their cup of tea.
 
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