The right to defend yourself is inherent. The right to own a specific gun is not. Your saying so, or even the founding fathers saying so, does not make it so.TK421:
But the rights protected there are inherent. And the right to self defense are inherent.
You saying we don’t have a right to self defense also doesn’t make it right.
It is true that the church has taken no position on what policies best address abortion, but she has taken a position on abortion itself which rules out certain positions, such as ones that legalize and justify it. She has no such comparable position on whether it is legal or moral to own a gun. Nor is the issue about the morality of murder (against the position of many that abortion is moral), but about what policies would help reduce homicides. That is not a moral question. If you think otherwise then lay out what moral choice we face in figuring out what proposals will work and which ones will not.
You continue to compare abortion to gun control when the real comparison is between policies toward abortion and policies toward gun violence. Or between abortion itself and gun violence itself. That is your mistake. As for ruling out certain positions, that is not clear either. There are other things that are evil but still legal, and the Church does not insist they be made illegal. So you are trying to make a special case out of abortion without an adequate reason.LeafByNiggle:
It is true that the church has taken no position on what policies best address abortion, but she has taken a position on abortion itself which rules out certain positions, such as ones that legalize and justify it. She has no such comparable position on whether it is legal or moral to own a gun. Nor is the issue about the morality of murder (against the position of many that abortion is moral), but about what policies would help reduce homicides. That is not a moral question. If you think otherwise then lay out what moral choice we face in figuring out what proposals will work and which ones will not.
Abortion is a moral question and is being contested between those who consider it an evil and those who consider it an indispensable right. Gun control is not about the morality of murder. It is about identifying the efficacy of specific proposals to minimize gun violence.
why are you afraid of the truth? the riots portrayed were national news. what in it is false?
what does discussing something with the bishop have to do with bravery?
because the kid may come in contact with a gun and when they play hollyweird with it accidents happen. you prefer they learn about guns from the tube, video games or their peers?FrDavid96:
That is fine, if you want that for your kid. But why should parents who don’t want their kids to have anything to do with guns be forced to submit their kids to this training?
it speaks to what is happening. it speaks to truth. what do you fear from it? what do you think they are trying to promote?
JonNC:
Oh, please, stop with this “progressives” nonsense. Antifa aren’t progressives, or liberals, they’re a bunch of jerks who travel around the country looking for fights. They have no program, no plans, no nothing. Liberals or progressives or whatever you want to call us have nothing to do with them, and want nothing to do with them.
It’s a neat little trick you’re trying to pull off, tarring those who disagree with you politically with a very broad brush. Like someone who votes Democratic, and is mildly liberal on the issues of, say, taxation or gun regulation, is exactly the same as someone at a demonstration with a black mask throwing a rock through a window.
It’s exactly the same as if I said every Republican, or everyone with a mildly conservative point of view on taxation or gun regulation, is exactly the same as Richard Spencer. And just as dishonest.
what resistance is she supporting?
As a parent I decide what is a risk and what is not. Just like I don’t want government telling my son how to put on a condom, I don’t want government indoctrinating my kid into the joys of shooting a gun. As a parent I want to teach my kid to stay away from guns. Are you saying the government knows better than the parent what a kid should know about guns? I don’t mind the schools telling my kids that guns are dangerous, but I don’t want them getting hands-on training on how to aim and fire. That is not necessary to ensure safety.LeafByNiggle:
because the kid may come in contact with a gun and when they play hollyweird with it accidents happen. you prefer they learn about guns from the tube, video games or their peers?FrDavid96:
That is fine, if you want that for your kid. But why should parents who don’t want their kids to have anything to do with guns be forced to submit their kids to this training?
you teach them other safety precautions; this is just one more.
will catholic democrats be endorsing them also?
what gun control item put forward would have stopped any killing after? it is good to say no one cares but the reality is that nothing proposed to date would have stopped the next killing. we have enough feel good laws on the books.
What are you talking about? Why are you asking me? I didn’t bring Hillary Clinton into this thread, I didn’t quote her, and I don’t know what she was talking about.
do they watch tv? play video games?
what about the constitution? how can they take your right away without changing the constitution.
so silence from the holy see is indication of agreement?
That isn’t how it works.