LeafByNiggle
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Including political issues like whether one may vote for a pro-abortion candidate? (I want to bookmark your response for 2018 or 2020.)LeafByNiggle:
They are not God’s designated authorities on political issues…
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stinkcat_14
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I would suggest involuntary manslaughter.
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Ender
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I wish you would so I can see what comment you keep referring to.
LeafByNiggle
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I’m asking you to make a comment now to the effect of “yes” or “no” to the following statement: “The decision of whether to vote for a pro-abortion candidate, being essentially a political, is not constrained by the teaching authority of Church.” Of course I will want to compare your answer to the view you expressed above regarding the recent statement by the US bishops regarding gun violence.LeafByNiggle:
I wish you would so I can see what comment you keep referring to.
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pnewton
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That is subjective.
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JoshuaIsLord
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Sounds like the USCCB after reading the article are becoming Democrats.
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JoshuaIsLord
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Thank You George W Bush.
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Ender
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To start with, this is a very different issue than questioning the relevance of a bishop’s comments on specific proposals for the solution of a political issue. If the topic being addressed has no moral component then I strongly oppose the involvement of the clergy. This is why I’m uninterested in their opinions on gun control. Where political issues also have a moral component, however - such as with abortion, euthanasia… - then their involvement, where it involves the teaching of the church, is relevant.
Voting, while it is the quintessential political act, is not reduced merely to political issues given that politicians also act on proposals which really do have a moral component. This is why there is a moral aspect to voting that does not exist with most political proposals.
LeafByNiggle
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Once again you rely on your private definition of “moral,” which allows you to classify statements about killing with a gun as having no moral component, while killing with a scalpel does. Most people would consider any statement about killing as having a moral component.LeafByNiggle:
To start with, this is a very different issue than questioning the relevance of a bishop’s comments on specific proposals for the solution of a political issue. If the topic being addressed has no moral component then I strongly oppose the involvement of the clergy. This is why I’m uninterested in their opinions on gun control.
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Shakuhachi
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I am not sure why we bother here. If response to our bishops is, “Who Cares?” then your minds are firmly entrenched in long held ideologies with no chance of conversion.
And if no one is killed is it attempted involuntary manslaughter?JonNC:
I would suggest involuntary manslaughter.
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Ender
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The question of what specific actions will help quell gun violence has no moral component. That is an entirely prudential problem. That killing has a moral aspect is irrelevant to the determination of what to do to prevent it.
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Ender
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Where is the relevance of a bishop’s opinion of the solution to a political, practical concern? There is no reason whatever to expect them to be experts on this subject, so what makes their comments in any way special?
I keep making this point as it is the most important concept: if there is no moral choice involved in deciding what approach will work best, what is the significance of a bishop’s preference?
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SuperLuigi
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They’re trying to work this from an appeal to authority angle.
Notice how this never happens on the marriage or abortion threads.
Notice how this never happens on the marriage or abortion threads.
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pnewton
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Angle? Did you read the topic of the thread?
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Ender
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The topic is the comments of the USCCB on the issue of gun control. This is nothing if not a mistaken appeal to authority, where the authority is moral but the comments are political.
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whyeyeman
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I’m sure all the USCCB ever does is cozy up to the democratic party…
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FrDavid96
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Here is a suggestion for the USCCB, one that they can easily implement:
Partner with the NRA to make the “Eddie the Eagle” safety program MANDATORY in every Catholic grade school nationwide from K through 4th grade.
Likewise require “Eddie the Eagle” for every youth religious education program at every parish.
Partner with the NRA to make MANDATORY a high-school level program to be implemented in every Catholic high school nationwide where students learn firearm safety and require that such a program include practical experience with firearms (ie target shooting). Such a program would be mandatory for graduation.
Require every Catholic parish and school to submit annual reports to the diocese certifying that their school is complying with this nationwide policy.
I, for one, would strongly support any such efforts by the USCCB.
Partner with the NRA to make the “Eddie the Eagle” safety program MANDATORY in every Catholic grade school nationwide from K through 4th grade.
Likewise require “Eddie the Eagle” for every youth religious education program at every parish.
Partner with the NRA to make MANDATORY a high-school level program to be implemented in every Catholic high school nationwide where students learn firearm safety and require that such a program include practical experience with firearms (ie target shooting). Such a program would be mandatory for graduation.
Require every Catholic parish and school to submit annual reports to the diocese certifying that their school is complying with this nationwide policy.
I, for one, would strongly support any such efforts by the USCCB.
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stinkcat_14
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That works for me.
LeafByNiggle
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That would spell the end of Catholic grade schools, since most parents would pull their kids out of that train wreck.
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