Shootings demonstrate need for gun control, USCCB says

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Once again you rely on your private definition of “moral,” which allows you to classify statements about killing with a gun as having no moral component, while killing with a scalpel does. Most people would consider any statement about killing as having a moral component.

The question of what specific actions will help quell gun violence has no moral component.

How about inaction? Does that have a moral component? Because that is what we have now. It seems to me that while recommending some specific actions, the main thrust of the statement is to raise the importance of the issue for those who are content to do nothing.

(As to the analogous issue, I could just as well say that specific politicians and their policies on abortion, or which specific law should be passed has no moral component. That is entirely a prudential matter.)

 

[Shakuhachi]

How about inaction? Does that have a moral component? Because that is what we have now. It seems to me that while recommending some specific actions, the main thrust of the statement is to raise the importance of the issue for those who are content to do nothing.

(As to the analogous issue, I could just as well say that specific politicians and their policies on abortion, or which specific law should be passed has no moral component. That is entirely a prudential matter.)

Yes, I was thinking along the same lines but couldn’t quite express it. Thank you.

 

[Mark121359]

There is a fairly basic point here that needs to be recognized: when the bishops speak on questions of morality they are to be listened to

Well…some of them. Sad, but this is not a given any more in today’s Church.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Besides, these opinions carry no weight, regardless of the topic, except for those that give it weight based on their relationship with the Catholic Church and Her leadership.

At some point people get tired of opinions and they tune out. If the bishops had one or two very important things to say, and said them consistently, it might make an impression : “This is very important, the Bishops even addressed it. Maybe I should think about it.”

If the bishops are sounding off about everything like the opinion page of the newspaper, it becomes “eh those Bishops talking again, what do they know.”

 

[nearlycatholic]

how about this one “Thou shalt not kill”~God
do they honestly think you can improve on that?

 

[upant]

The rate of murder and suicide, especially by gun, is far lower here than in the States, pro rata.

yes but your overall violence level is 2800 per 100k whereas in the us it is only 400 per 100k. you really have a greater issue than we do.

that is reported incidents some claim your rate is a lot higher if all incidents were counted.

 

[pnewton]

At some point people get tired of opinions and they tune out.

I don’t. Heck, I hear a homily at least once a week. I used to watch the news every night. Most people I know watch TV everyday, and some listen to the radio every day. I guess it is where we place our priorities.

 

[FrDavid96]

FrDavid96:

Here is a suggestion for the USCCB, one that they can easily implement:

Partner with the NRA to make the “Eddie the Eagle” safety program MANDATORY in every Catholic grade school nationwide from K through 4th grade.

That would spell the end of Catholic grade schools, since most parents would pull their kids out of that train wreck.

That’s a typical liberal response.

Let’s ignore any talk of real solutions and mindlessly insist on gun control for gun control’s sake.

I doubt if you even know what the “Eddie the Eagle” program is.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

FrDavid96:

Here is a suggestion for the USCCB, one that they can easily implement:

Partner with the NRA to make the “Eddie the Eagle” safety program MANDATORY in every Catholic grade school nationwide from K through 4th grade.

That would spell the end of Catholic grade schools, since most parents would pull their kids out of that train wreck.

That’s a typical liberal response.

Let’s ignore any talk of real solutions and mindlessly insist on gun control for gun control’s sake.

I doubt if you even know what the “Eddie the Eagle” program is.

Please let’s discuss the issues and not each other.

 

[FrDavid96]

Please let’s discuss the issues and not each other.

I am discussing the issue.

The issue is that the liberal mindset is to ignore any talk of real solutions and simply to blindly advocate for gun control for its own sake. Your posts express exactly that mentality.

 

[upant]

If guns are hard to get commercially and illegal to own without a permit, few people will take the trouble to hand-build them.

worked for drugs. the problem is that the clientele we least want to own them will be the ones still buying them. if somebody wants an illegal product the black market will provide it.

They will not be ignored by those who are obedient to God’s designated authorities on earth.

but these aren’t the people we need control of. they are already under control!!!

Most people would consider any statement about killing as having a moral component.

here is a component the church allows: catechism 2264

How about inaction?

inaction? we have thousands of laws on the books. this is inaction? what is the magic law that will work.

how about this one “Thou shalt not kill”~God

define kill, the church defines it at least two ways

 

[Mark121359]

FrDavid96:

LeafByNiggle:

FrDavid96:

Here is a suggestion for the USCCB, one that they can easily implement:

Partner with the NRA to make the “Eddie the Eagle” safety program MANDATORY in every Catholic grade school nationwide from K through 4th grade.

That would spell the end of Catholic grade schools, since most parents would pull their kids out of that train wreck.

That’s a typical liberal response.

Let’s ignore any talk of real solutions and mindlessly insist on gun control for gun control’s sake.

I doubt if you even know what the “Eddie the Eagle” program is.

Please let’s discuss the issues and not each other.

Well, that’s exactly what FrDavid96 was trying to do until your snarky “train wreck” comment. And I too doubt if you know what the “Eddie the Eagle” program is.

 

[nearlycatholic]

murder specifically. If the church wants to expand that to the broadest sense, have at it. You can’t improve upon God’s commandment.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

That’s interesting. I know almost no one who watches TV or listens to radio (unless it’s a Situs music genre station, like a punk station or an oldies station).

Many people I know don’t even own a TV and only have a radio in their car.

 

[pnewton]

And I too doubt if you know what the “Eddie the Eagle” program is.

Is there any evidence that it is effective?

If it works, all the better, but it really is not this issue. It strikes me a little like having Joe Camel teach anti-smoking.

 

[o_mlly]

For good reason, Genesis does not tell us the weapon Cain used to murder Abel. If the kind of weapon was the root problem then God might have banned that weapon from His creation. He did not. He did ban the murderer. Is that not the lesson?

 

[MountCarmel]

upant - Hmmn, I suspect that it is probable that ‘we’ are a bit more fastidious in recording every little incident reported.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

That’s interesting. I know almost no one who watches TV or listens to radio (unless it’s a Situs music genre station, like a punk station or an oldies station).

Many people I know don’t even own a TV and only have a radio in their car.

Where in the he!! to you live. What do they do for entertainment? Sit out on the Front Porch like the Waldons?

Everybody I know owns at least 2 TVs if not 3. There are 5 in my house.
Family Room
Master Bedroom
Son’s Bedroom
My Office
Sun Room ( Hot Tub )

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I spend most of my time in several East Coast and Midwest cities. Most of my friends are 25 to 50 year old middle class or upper class professionals, with a few trades people like bartenders and electricians. They watch Hulu or news programs on their laptops, tablets or phones. Those who have TVs are generally using them to stream video or, if they’re sports fans, they watch games, but quite a few of them will watch the game at a bar with friends, not home on the couch.

So, they do have flat screens in some cases, but often no cable and don’t watch local shows or TV news. People I know just universally hate the broadcast news for several years now.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

My review of the snazzy new Eddie Eagle gun safety program? It hasn’t changed in its message, and I’m sure it hasn’t changed in its ineffectiveness. Some things never change—like the lethality of guns in the hands of curious and impulsive children.

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