Shorts at Mass??

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As the priest says in the linked video somewhere within this thread, there’s the process of desensitization which occurs, that once something no longer shocks or distracts us then even worse things come, and we become accustomed to them as well.
Ah, an excellent word! That’s precisely what I am talking about! I really wish there was a long held, enforced dress code for Mass in this country. I would comply even if it meant “dressing-up” which I do not like to do.

This process of desensitization – in how we dress and in how we act (talking, arriving late, leaving early) has taken a huge toll on Catholic worship.
 
People dress like slobs for the Mass largely because they feel they can get away with it – and they can for the most part.

To many people the Mass has become a very informal thing. A t-shirt/tank top, trunks and a pair of jelly sandals and you’re good to go! What people don’t realize is their slovenly behavior impacts the atmosphere around them.

I’m not talking about those who exist to judge anyone not wearing a suit or a mantilla. I’m talking about adding to the general coarseness of what has impacted so many Mass settings. By golly though each and ever person dressed inappropriately WILL have an excuse…
The parish I ususally attend has a mix of dress, everything from what I would consider inappropriate (i.e pajama bottoms, tight-fitting, short, shorts, skirts, dresses, baggy , falling down pants, etc) to men and women in fancy suits & dresses.

I usually wear capris with a nice blouse in the summer, because I take the bus to Mass, and have to walk a 1/2 mile to the nearest bus stop. And so long as there is no snow on the ground, the only shoes I wear are my Birkenstocks! 😛

Any way, last week, 2 ladies, who are long-time, active members of this parish, and usually dress “well” came in *“dressed to the nines” *because, as I heard through the readings, the homily and the Eucharistic prayer, they were going to a bridal shower at a local yacht club after Mass. I won’t go into the details of the conversation, but needless to say, it made my Mass experience that day a challenge.

Clothes do not make the man (or woman). People, especially in America,
are going to do what they want, when they want, because, after all, *it is all about me!! *:rolleyes:

I would much rather see a Church full of “poorly dressed” people who actually want to be there, than one full of *“beautifully dressed” *people who obviously don’t. 😛
 
The parish I ususally attend has a mix of dress, everything from what I would consider inappropriate (i.e pajama bottoms, tight-fitting, short, shorts, skirts, dresses, baggy , falling down pants, etc) to men and women in fancy suits & dresses.

I usually wear capris with a nice blouse in the summer, because I take the bus to Mass, and have to walk a 1/2 mile to the nearest bus stop. And so long as there is no snow on the ground, the only shoes I wear are my Birkenstocks! 😛

Any way, last week, 2 ladies, who are long-time, active members of this parish, and usually dress “well” came in *“dressed to the nines” *because, as I heard through the readings, the homily and the Eucharistic prayer, they were going to a bridal shower at a local yacht club after Mass. I won’t go into the details of the conversation, but needless to say, it made my Mass experience that day a challenge.

Clothes do not make the man (or woman). People, especially in America,
are going to do what they want, when they want, because, after all, *it is all about me!! *:rolleyes:

I would much rather see a Church full of “poorly dressed” people who actually want to be there, than one full of *“beautifully dressed” *people who obviously don’t. 😛
You’re setting up a false dichtomy. Appropriately dressed/don’t want to be there and inappropriately dressed/want to be there. That’s not the only two choices. :confused:

There is a man at our parish who is one of the “head EMsHC.” He is retired and his wife dresses respectfully. Invariably he wears blue jeans, sneakers and a well worn flannel shirt. He’s in the sanctuary, he’s distributing communion, he’s everywhere but that’s his weekly uniform.

I just saw him at a requiem Mass. He was dressed in a suit. Why the difference? Why make the effort at a Requiem Mass and not Sunday Mass?
 
You’re setting up a false dichtomy. Appropriately dressed/don’t want to be there and inappropriately dressed/want to be there. That’s not the only two choices. :confused:

There is a man at our parish who is one of the “head EMsHC.” He is retired and his wife dresses respectfully. Invariably he wears blue jeans, sneakers and a well worn flannel shirt. He’s in the sanctuary, he’s distributing communion, he’s everywhere but that’s his weekly uniform.

I just saw him at a requiem Mass. He was dressed in a suit. Why the difference? Why make the effort at a Requiem Mass and not Sunday Mass?
No false dichtomy, just an obesrvation based on what I experienced.

It was not their clothes that called attention to them,
it was their incessant, rude behavior.
Do you think that it is safe to assume that someone who has a conversation with another person,*** through-out the entire Mass*** is not there because they want to be, but because it is their obligation as Catholics?

As I said, clothes do not make the person.
Should common sense be used? Of course!
But where I live, that seems to be in very short supply!! :cool:
 
I wear shorts when it’s hot. I also wear sandals, and have never even considered what other people are wearing, but then again I am focussed on the Mass not on others’ atire. . . . . . 🤷
 
Short-shorts IMO are acceptable but not preferable for children, boys or girls, under about ten. Knee-length shorts are okay, but not preferable, for any gender, any age.
 
Please. Go to a fine restaurant where people are dressed nicely. If a group is then seated who are dressed like slobs it DOES change the atmosphere. That’s why many have dress codes.
I cannot argue about an intangible perceived atmosphere that changes only to you. Your point is without merit.
There will ALWAYS be excuses to dress inappropriately for Mass. Always.
Modesty aside, the magisterium has not declared appropriate dress for Mass. I suppose that you are in charge?
Just dress in a respectful manner and they you can be free of all such concerns.
I am always dressed respectfully. I suspect that you wouldn’t agree.
And… You really don’t get it. People look, act, and think differently from one another. That is one of God’s gifts.
And that gives you license to dress like a slob for Mass?
And what gives you the right to call me a slob? Please consider what God tells us, John 7:24, "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”
Please. We are talking about not dressing like a slob for Mass. That is a world away from selecting one’s wardrobe.
A person’s wardrobe dictates the way that he dresses. What don’t you understand?

I will keep dressing that way that I do and you keep judging and looking down on people. It must make you feel real good.
 
However, that is my desire when I am at Mass and there are outside influences that make this hard and yes, unfortunately dress is one of these things.

Try and try as we may, it is difficult to ignore this, and while the proper response to this is Christian love for that person, a simple prayer for them, it is hard to not have a small pit in your stomach that is affected by this “distraction.” It would be ideal to just move past it and focus on why you are really at Mass, but the fact of the matter is that you have now been distracted. Human nature is such that you have to make that conscious decision to bring yourself back into focus on the true meaning of why you are there and not become the “clothing police.” I am not saying that is easy cause I know that it is not.
I had no idea.:eek:
If a person wearing shorts sits in the pew in front of you are you really distracted to the point where you have difficulty concentrating on the Mass and do you really pray for that person?

No person’s clothing has ever distracted me from the Mass. I have never even been distracted by immodest clothing. I really don’t pay attention.
 
I would say that those that dress like slobs at Mass are largely a product of deficient formations as humans and not poverty or actual physical need.

Parents play a HUGE part in our formation as humans.
Surprise surprise. The thread degenerated into someone calling everyone else a bad Catholic because they don’t follow the posters personal views/spirituality/ect. How long until we’re told that wearing shorts to Mass gets you instant damnation?
I think shorts can be dressy. The British have always used to have army uniforms in shorts for hot climates, and they didn’t look slobby.

It’s a lot more sensible than wearing a suit - an item that developed in cooler climates - in a hot muggy place.
Speaking of the British, well the Scottish, I wonder what people would think of kilts.
I cannot argue about an intangible perceived atmosphere that changes only to you. Your point is without merit.
That point should be well taken. “Atmosphere” is a subjective term that means essentially whatever you want it to mean when you us it. It’s the catch-all term that you can blame when something doesn’t “feel” right.

Yes, there are some more objective cases, but again they’re in the extremes, which we’re not talking about. If the atmosphere doesn’t “feel” “right” to you because of some little thing like shorts (which are not immodest), then you might making Mass a little too much about you and not enough about God.
 
You’re setting up a false dichtomy. Appropriately dressed/don’t want to be there and inappropriately dressed/want to be there. That’s not the only two choices. :confused:

There is a man at our parish who is one of the “head EMsHC.” He is retired and his wife dresses respectfully. Invariably he wears blue jeans, sneakers and a well worn flannel shirt. He’s in the sanctuary, he’s distributing communion, he’s everywhere but that’s his weekly uniform.

I just saw him at a requiem Mass. He was dressed in a suit. Why the difference? Why make the effort at a Requiem Mass and not Sunday Mass?
Have you mentioned to this man that he looks like a slob and his slovenly behavior is having a negative impact upon the atmosphere in the Church?

Or, is that something that is saved your Catholic brothers and sisters on this forum?
 
Have you mentioned to this man that he looks like a slob and his slovenly behavior is having a negative impact upon the atmosphere in the Church?

Or, is that something that is saved your Catholic brothers and sisters on this forum?
Well, my pastor wears sandals and shorts as well… during mass.:eek:
 
You’re saying that someone in shorts is a stumbling block for you?
Not for me per se. I think one should dress properly for mass out of respect for the Lord, but my whole concentration won’t be broken because of an inappropriately dressed person.

However, when it comes to the camp that thinks shorts and stuff are fine, I don’t see anyone saying, “Okay. I think they’re fine, but I’m willing to dress decently when I’m at mass because I don’t want to be a stumbling block”.

It’s like, I sometimes wear pants during the week, but on Sundays I wear a skirt because that is the culture of the parish I attend, not because I believe pants are wrong.

In the same way, if wearing really casual clothes to church upsets some people because they think it is disrespectful to God, is it that hard to not wear shorts or wear something full length, higher neckline, capris, etc??
Romans 14: 13-15:
“Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died”.
 
Anyone ever heard of the term stumbling block?🤷
Yes! LOL

I just had a thought:rolleyes:

I have known people to whom clothes were very important. Some were able to look at a person and identify the manufacturer, model, season and year of a person’s suit and shoes. I had no idea how or why anyone would know such information. :confused:

My thought is that since none of us really knows all that much about how God thinks, we assume that He thinks like us:o My idea of dress up means no holes or grease stains. Other people have an altogether different idea.

We both think that God looks at our attire the same way that we look at it.

Just a thought. 🤷
 
Not for me per se. I think one should dress properly for mass out of respect for the Lord, but my whole concentration won’t be broken because of an inappropriately dressed person.
Then excuse me for asking, but what was the point of the comment?
However, when it comes to the camp that thinks shorts and stuff are fine, I don’t see anyone saying, “Okay. I think they’re fine, but I’m willing to dress decently when I’m at mass because I don’t want to be a stumbling block”.

It’s like, I sometimes wear pants during the week, but on Sundays I wear a skirt because that is the culture of the parish I attend, not because I believe pants are wrong.

In the same way, if wearing really casual clothes to church upsets some people because they think it is disrespectful to God, is it that hard to wear something full length?
You know what’s distracting? Women’s hair. Maybe they should all be forced to wear veils because I might get distracted. Actually, some people think men are just plain distracted by women, so it must be better to place them in a separate room.

The above paragraph is in jest of course. Sometimes, people need to realize that they’re just being stubborn and putting burdens on others just to be burdensome.

In Acts, there were the Jews who wanted to force the newly converted Gentiles to be circumcised. Paul plainly said no. It probably would have been much easier just to say yes and the Council of Jerusalem wouldn’t have needed to have been held. Probably could have saved a lot of time; Paul probably could have converted another country single-handedly in that time (he was a bit of a super-preacher ;)). I’m not saying that the situations are the same, not at all.

Sometimes, people need to be told that they’re not right. Something closer would be saying “ok, we’ll just force everyone back to COTT just so others feel better”. I’m sure half the people reading this thread would press the like button on that. Guess what, the Vatican says CITH is fine, so get over it already (note: I’m not trying to turn this into a CITH/COTT thread. It’s just the example that was sitting at the front of my brain).
 
Have you mentioned to this man that he looks like a slob and his slovenly behavior is having a negative impact upon the atmosphere in the Church?

Or, is that something that is saved your Catholic brothers and sisters on this forum?
I was very direct when I saw him in the suit. I asked something like “nice suit. Why don’t you dress that way when you’re an extraordinary minister?” He hemmed and hawwed.

He would have looked like a jerk to others had he not dressed-up for the Requiem Mass. He only looks like a jerk to some when he dresses the way he does when he is a very visable EMHC.
 
I think the way people dress for mass these days has to do with catechism. Belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is not held by everyone who shows up for mass. Perhaps if more people truly believed in the real presence, the attire they wore to church would change. However when we see someone at church wearing something that we feel to be less-that- appropriate it is important to not judge or be offended as there may be some legitimate circumstances surrounding the situation. We need only say a quick prayer asking Our lord to reveal the that person(s) what he expects of them in that state in their life.
 
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