Should all parishes have the latin mass

[ConstantineTG]

There are probably several Deaneries in each burrough, though - if every Deanery had one parish that offered the Latin Mass, you would solve at least some of the transportation problem. Our Diocese has at least five Deaneries that I know of within the city, and we don’t have nearly the population of New York.

One of the better attended OF parishes here in Vancouver is a block from the SkyTrain (mass transit light rail) station. I imagine in New York that if a parish close enough to a subway station has TLM, then it would be good for many people. My sister used to live in Brooklyn and is 3 blocks from the station, It was so easy to get around. So it doesn’t matter about the distance if its easily accessible like if by a subway station.

 

[corsair]

I voted for the Latin Mass. I didn’t make a big issue out of the wording of the question.

BTW, Constantine, your Vancouver’s Holy Family parish (FSSP) is really quite wonderful. Fr. Deprey and Fr. Geddes are super priests. We attend everytime we visit our son and his family.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I voted for the Latin Mass. I didn’t make a big issue out of the wording of the question.

BTW, Constantine, your Vancouver’s Holy Family parish (FSSP) is really quite wonderful. Fr. Deprey and Fr. Geddes are super priests. We attend everytime we visit our son and his family.

They sure are. Although closer to the US border at Aldergrove is Sts. Joachim and Ann, the priest there is Fr. William Ashley and he says the EF Mass at 1pm every Sunday. You can try that as well if you’re in that area. Here’s the map to the parish

 

[Remington]

I also didn’t vote since the question seems to have changed…

That said, I believe all Catholics should at some time attend a Latin Mass. It’s a wonderful, uplifting and enlightening experiance. However I would think “mandating” that all parishes have a Latin Mass would be counterproductive and unworkable.

I’ve heard the Mass in many languages and each is a blessing.

God bless

Oh! I’d like to add… We REALLY need a resource to TEACH the Latin Mass… Maybe an internet video of a latin Mass with the Latin responses written out phonetically with an English translation? I attended Latin masses as a child, but that was many decades ago and I’ve forgotten what little I knew…

That’s not always true. The local EF is painful to attend. It’s a threadbare low Mass with uninviting, grim faced people, horrible music (need voice lessons and practice!) and a terrible keyboard used as an “organ.”

It’s slowly dying and I can see why…

 

[bayernfan]

That’s not always true. The local EF is painful to attend. It’s a threadbare low Mass with uninviting, grim faced people, horrible music (need voice lessons and practice!) and a terrible keyboard used as an “organ.”

It’s slowly dying and I can see why…

Surely you speak of the Novus Ordo, with its shuttering parishes and seminaries, dwindling vocations, and heterodox priests?


The TLM is growing by leaps and bounds. The fact that you have one “bad” TLM does not mean anything.

Also, if it is so bad, why do you not help out, and volunteer for the choir?

 

[laszlo]

The question in the pool is different from the question in the topic. The Latin Mass is necessary, that is the standard either in the 1570 or in the 1962 or in the 1970 form. This (the Latin as the language of definition) shall be kept, so I voted yes.

The word ‘all’ is only in the topic here, for that the answer is no.

99+ % of the faithful and at least 90% of he priest do not understand Latin to the level to ‘feel’ the word, so that the prayer could influence them as whole person, their mind, their hart, and their rains. Without such understanding the participation is halfway only.

What we need it is the reverence and obedience: no adlibiting, no experimenting, and deep reverence toward the Eucharist.

This does not needs changes in the rubrics.

The tabernacle and the cross have to be moved back to the center,

the Confiteor and the Roman Canon have to be set as the regular option, everything else should be exception,

the Gregorian chant shall be reinstated as the regular musical environment. This later takes a time to implement in vernacular, meanwhile this could be the homage to the sacred language.

 

[OraLabora]

The question is poorly worded, and I hate the use of the term Latin Mass.

Latin has never been abrogated for the OF Mass, in fact it is still the official language of the Mass. The question probably meant should we have the EF Mass in every parish, and my answer is no.

I have seen what the traditionalist vs. evangelical factions have done to my wife’s Anglican parish and it isn’t pretty. This would only serve to divide parishes. Should the EF Mass be abrogated altogether? No to that as well, it should remain available, but should not be allowed to become a source of division.

Instead, in parishes, we should improve the liturgy and make greater use of the ordinary, for instance returning simple versions of the Greek/Latin Ordinary (e.g. Kyrie XVI, and Sanctus/Agnus XVIII plus the Credo).

 

[peregrinator_it]

I don’t know what the controversy over the wording of this poll was earlier, but I didn’t vote.

“Latin mass” is an ambiguous term.

If the question is (which I don’t think is the case) should every parish have a Latin OF Mass my answer is a resounding yes!!! Even on an occasional basis.

If the question is should every parish offer the Extraordinary Form of the Mass I say no - because I’m renegade like that .

 

[Adeodatus]

All parishes should be required to have the EF Mass as the principal Mass on Sunday (closest to the noon hour). This should be a High Mass if possible; the same goes for solemnities. Other Sunday Masses and weekday Masses of more important feasts (those related to the Holy Family and to perhaps to Doctors) should be EF Low Masses. The rest should either be EF Low Masses or OF Masses celebrated ad orientem.

There is no place for anything but reverence before the Living God!

 

[TBolt1000T]

I’d love to see all parishes have at least one EF or Latin OF on Sondays, solemnities, and special days such asAsh Wednesday and Good Friday. However, just like another poster said, there has to be a demand for it. Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening in every parish unless the Pope or a council calls for it.

 

[Adeodatus]

I’d love to see all parishes have at least one EF or Latin OF on Sondays, solemnities, and special days such asAsh Wednesday and Good Friday. However, just like another poster said, there has to be a demand for it. Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening in every parish unless the Pope or a council calls for it.

It would take far less effort on the part of the clergy in general to encourage the faithful in the TLM than it did for some individuals to illicitly stamp it out.

 

[ConstantineTG]

All parishes should be required to have the EF Mass as the principal Mass on Sunday (closest to the noon hour). This should be a High Mass if possible; the same goes for solemnities. Other Sunday Masses and weekday Masses of more important feasts (those related to the Holy Family and to perhaps to Doctors) should be EF Low Masses. The rest should either be EF Low Masses or OF Masses celebrated ad orientem.

There is no place for anything but reverence before the Living God!

I kinda agree with the solemnities. In the Byzantine Rite they switch from the DL of St. John to the DL of St. Basil 10-times a year. I think its a worthy tradition to incorporate into the Roman Rite given like the East, we have more than one form of the Mass in the Roman Rite. Or perhaps if people prefer English, then the Anglican Use may be used instead of the EF, since it closely resembles the EF.

 

[ConstantineTG]

It would take far less effort on the part of the clergy in general to encourage the faithful in the TLM than it did for some individuals to illicitly stamp it out.

That may not be true. We have to be realistic here and admit that most Catholics will prefer a Mass in the vernacular.

 

[laszlo]

All parishes should be required to have the EF Mass as the principal Mass on Sunday (closest to the noon hour). This should be a High Mass if possible; the same goes for solemnities. Other Sunday Masses and weekday Masses of more important feasts (those related to the Holy Family and to perhaps to Doctors) should be EF Low Masses. The rest should either be EF Low Masses or OF Masses celebrated ad orientem.

There is no place for anything but reverence before the Living God!

The Low Mass, is defined that everything (except the optional and duplicated Lesson, Gospel and Sermon) is said by the priest in soto voice or as dialog audible only by him and the servers. The 1970 Mass does not have such category, the priest is supposed to read almost everything aloud.

In other hand the true essence of the TLM (affair between the priest and God) is better represented by the Low Mass than the Missa Cantata or High Mass which later in many parishes cannot be celebrated genuine way due to the lack of deacon and subdeacon

I agree that reverence is the most important, starting with the obedience to the rubrics.

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

I prefer a mass where I can understand what’s going on. I’ve been to masses in other countries and I have a hard time figuring out where they are at.

I guess If I attended a Latin mass regularly, I could eventually figure it out, but what is the point? Are people saying that a Latin mass is better because it is more in union with Rome?

I don’t get why having half the parish lost due to language is a better thing.

 

[OraLabora]

I prefer a mass where I can understand what’s going on. I’ve been to masses in other countries and I have a hard time figuring out where they are at.

I guess If I attended a Latin mass regularly, I could eventually figure it out, but what is the point? Are people saying that a Latin mass is better because it is more in union with Rome?

I don’t get why having half the parish lost due to language is a better thing.

The irony in your statement is that if you took the time to learn the smattering of Latin you need for the Mass (which isn’t really all that much), and if the Church celebrated the Mass (even OF) in Latin everywhere, you’d be able to understand what was going on in every country you would visit.

I used to travel overseas a lot for business (Asia mostly) and a Korean Mass I’d never be able to understand if my life depended on it. On the other hand Latin would have been great.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I used to travel overseas a lot for business (Asia mostly) and a Korean Mass I’d never be able to understand if my life depended on it. On the other hand Latin would have been great.

Sure for the occasional visitor, Latin would be easier. However, for the members of that parish who go to Mass everyday, the vernacular is probably more conducive.

We should try to align ourselves with God’s will.

If God wants the celebration of the Mass to be in Latin, then thy will be done.

If he wants it in the vernacular, thy will be done.

I pray that the Church serves the people as best she can. Thy will be done.

Jim

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

I prefer a mass where I can understand what’s going on. I’ve been to masses in other countries and I have a hard time figuring out where they are at.

I guess If I attended a Latin mass regularly, I could eventually figure it out, but what is the point? Are people saying that a Latin mass is better because it is more in union with Rome?

I don’t get why having half the parish lost due to language is a better thing.

No, people are saying the Tridentine Mass should be offered for those who prefer it. Also how would half the parish be lost? Those who want the Tridentine Mass would just go at another time.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

No, people are saying the Tridentine Mass should be offered for those who prefer it. Also how would half the parish be lost? Those who want the Tridentine Mass would just go at another time.

That would be impossible in some parishes. Outside of my town…there is two parishes that share one priest. So, the one small parish has one Mass only…on Sunday at 8. The other parish has two Masses. A Saturday night vigil…and a Sunday Mass at 10:30. I’m thinking there is nowhere in there to insert a Tridentine Mass…

 

[Garyjohn2]

The poll is a little misleading.

The title says, “should all parishes have the latin mass”. The poll asks “should we have the latin mass.” These are two very different things!

In my haste, I voted “no” based on the title of the thread. Not all churches would have the resources or priests to have a latin and regular mass. Based on the poll question, I’d say yes! We should still have the latin mass where it is available!