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malphono
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I wouldn’t say impossible. A little catechesis, a little juggling of the schedule, and it could work out, at least periodically and/or on a rotating basis.
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Annabelle_Marie
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Seriously? Easy for someone from New York to say…there is more then a little travel time involved. The poor priest is already worn at! And he has to have time to hear confessions as well!
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melchesidechpio
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I think we should have a Latin Mass in the parishes once in a while but not altogether. We must have high reverence to the Latin Mass, but the Vernacular is done in most parishes. We just can’t revert and take steps backwards.
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malphono
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Yes seriously.
I’ve no idea what that’s supposed to mean. Do people think that everything in NY is two-seconds away? Or that people happen to be in NY have never been – or lived – elsewhere?
There’s no reason at all that it would cause further hardship to the priest. That’s what a “little juggling” meant. If he wants to do it, and if there are people who would like him to do it, it could (as in it’s possible) work out. But no matter how much juggling is done, it’s not going to overcome the “no can do” (or, more likely, “no want to do”) attitude expressed in your post.
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jmcrae
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He could do it as a 5:00 pm Mass on Sundays at the parish nearest to his residence - that way, it wouldn’t interfere with his morning Masses, nor would it involve significant travel time.
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Scott_D
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This is exactly our situation. We have 3 priests to share with 9 churches or so and our pastor is in favor of the Latin mass. However, he says that they are crunched for time that he feels he should offer a mass which reaches the most people, which means English.
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malphono
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As I said earlier in reply to another post, it’s not impossible. It’s now a given that the pastor is in favor, so if there are congregants who are also interested, it could (as in, it’s possible) work out favorably for all. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. But there has to be a will.
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Annabelle_Marie
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Technically yes…but understand now he has two parishes…full of parishioners to attend to and to hear confessions from.
Oh…and he would have to get an exception from the Bishop to say three Masses in one day.
Personally I don’t think one priest can do all that–for very long. Mind you there are no deacons around to help.
He would have to start his day at 7am…maybe be done with Masses at 12…then start hearing confessions at 4 with Mass at 5.
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Acolythus_sum
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All of 'em have.
Steps backwards?!? How about towards the will of the Church, which is that Latin should be used?
People seem to be assuming that a Latin Mass (OF or EF) would be added to the other Masses in a parish. What about replacing a vernacular Mass with a Latin one?
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Annabelle_Marie
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I get what you are trying to say. However in some places it’s more difficult. In the one example I gave where 2 parishes share one priest…I personally don’t think there is much call for Latin (at these parishes). These folks are very set in there ways…and already upset that they have lost a Mass. It really leaves everyone with either the option of traveling a long way (which is harder for some of these older folk to do) or attending the one Mass offered at their Parish. Now if you were to replace it with Latin…that would mean that their ONLY Mass is in Latin. That is where the question is a little fuzzy with the title being one thing. Not ALL parishes are able to have a Latin Mass.
Of course the call for it has to be there as well. In the town next to mine (much closer then most towns to each other) they only offer a Latin OF once a month. There isn’t much of a call for it. At least down here…
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sojo
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Didn’t vote as it would not reflect the accurate situation. Our one Priest spends most of his time on the road traveling to cover an enormous territory and 3 parishes (4 in the summer - he has one outdoor chapel he uses in the summertime, only). He has already had a massive heart attack, and we would not want to put any stress on him by adding to his load to get educated in the Latin Mass or add any additional Masses to his already overloaded schedule.
Only one of our parishes even has kneelers - the rest have folding chairs. We are so blessed to have a Priest at all - he could say Mass in any language he chooses and we’d consider ourselves blessed.
Someday I hope to hear a Mass in Latin. Or to have kneelers or a choir. It would be wonderful. But none of the trappings is necessary.
Only one of our parishes even has kneelers - the rest have folding chairs. We are so blessed to have a Priest at all - he could say Mass in any language he chooses and we’d consider ourselves blessed.
Someday I hope to hear a Mass in Latin. Or to have kneelers or a choir. It would be wonderful. But none of the trappings is necessary.
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The_Old_Medic
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I would love to have the extraordinary form of the Latin Mass celebrated at my parish, BUT only if it is done by a Priest that is familiar with the Latin, and knows what he is doing (and the servers as well).
I would NOT want something where the Priest was reading (badly) off of a card or book, did not understand what he was saying, and could not really offer up a Mass with any degree of reverence.
There is absolutely nothing magic about a Latin Mass. No Mass is worth attending unless the Priest celebrating it knows the language being utilized.
Lets get over it folks. The Latin Mass as we knew it went the way of buggy whips over 40 years ago. It is NOT going to come back as the common form of celebrating the liturgy.
I truly wonder just how many of those clamoring for a return to the old rite are even old enough to really remember it? You would need to be at least 50 to really remember that Mass, and what it was actually like.
I would NOT want something where the Priest was reading (badly) off of a card or book, did not understand what he was saying, and could not really offer up a Mass with any degree of reverence.
There is absolutely nothing magic about a Latin Mass. No Mass is worth attending unless the Priest celebrating it knows the language being utilized.
Lets get over it folks. The Latin Mass as we knew it went the way of buggy whips over 40 years ago. It is NOT going to come back as the common form of celebrating the liturgy.
I truly wonder just how many of those clamoring for a return to the old rite are even old enough to really remember it? You would need to be at least 50 to really remember that Mass, and what it was actually like.
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bayernfan
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The priest does not need comprehension of the words he is praying. And, by that extension, every priest celebrating a Spanish Mass must fully comprehend Spanish, etc.
Let’s not get over it. Some people are attached to the Traditional Latin Mass. Your prejudices do not decide what is and isn’t liturgy.
And, what does it matter to remember “what it was actually like?” [edited]
Maybe I just want to worship like Catholicism did for centuries, [edited] Or, maybe I just want to worship like my ancestors did.
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malphono
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Yes, I agree. What difference does age make? Personally I think it’s great to see so many younger people at the EF.
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Annabelle_Marie
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Excuse me but aren’t you trying to do the very same thing that was done to you?
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bayernfan
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The Pope, while he was a cardinal, said this:
“Of the New Mass, Cardinal Ratzinger said, ‘in the place of liturgy as the fruit of development came fabricated liturgy. We abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over the centuries and replaced it — as in a manufacturing process — with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product.’”
So, no, it’s not insulting.
And, no, I’m not doing what was done to my ancestors. It’d be a gradual phase out of the NO.
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ConstantineTG
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No, that kind of quoting is whats fabricated. Its a misinformation being spread around by people with an anti-Catholic agenda.The Pope, while he was a cardinal, said this:
“Of the New Mass, Cardinal Ratzinger said, ‘in the place of liturgy as the fruit of development came fabricated liturgy. We abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over the centuries and replaced it — as in a manufacturing process — with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product.’”
So, no, it’s not insulting.
And, no, I’m not doing what was done to my ancestors. It’d be a gradual phase out of the NO.
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The_Old_Medic
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The Latin Mass was NOT “ripped away”. It was done away with after very careful consideration,. and was done away with because the vast majority of the Laity did not understand it, got very little from it, and it was not very worshipfu for the vast majority of the people. I would STRONGLY recommend that you read the actual discussion and documentation about the change to the vernacular, instead of attempting to cram YOUR prejudices down everyones throats…
I can’t believe that anyone would advocate for Priests to celebrate a Mass that they did not comprehend. That’s like saying you should pray in a manner that you don’t understand.
As to age being a factor, I strongly suspect that this is just another way of rebelling against authority.
I can’t believe that anyone would advocate for Priests to celebrate a Mass that they did not comprehend. That’s like saying you should pray in a manner that you don’t understand.
As to age being a factor, I strongly suspect that this is just another way of rebelling against authority.
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bayernfan
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The Latin Mass was ripped away. It was there one day, and gone the next, for many people.
How do you know about how all of this happened? How do you know the laity didn’t understand it? Can you read minds and hearts? It’s astounding that you speak with such arrogance.
As to priests celebrating things they do not comprehend - liturgical prayer is to be in Latin, unless dispensed by the bishop. That is how things were for centuries. One need not know exactly what things mean, just the gist of it, for it “to count.” Or, if that doesn’t apply, then when I attend Mass in Spanish (I speak NO Spanish whatsoever), I do not meet my obligation (because I can’t tell what’s going on).
As to age - how dare you presume my motives and reasoning behind attending the Traditional Latin Mass. Do you even know my age? No, you don’t. I attend the TLM because I find it to be a fuller expression of the Catholic Faith, I find it to be richer (in both aesthetics AND doctrine), and I find greater peace and joy in attending a SINGLE TLM than I have ever felt.
Would you speak so denigratingly to someone who attends a Neo-catechumenical Way Mass? Or perhaps someone who attends an Eastern Rite Mass? I should hope not.
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Tradycja
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I hope that eventually the Novus Ordo, through better translations and more ad orientam Masses, will gradually change to be so close to the Traditional Mass that people will see having it unnecessary and then the whole Latin rite will just change to having one Mass----> the Tridentine Mass.
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