My sentiments exactly. I don’t like the OF mass. There’s too much room for liturgical abuse in it and the EF is just so much more appealing to the soul. The Novus Ordo mass should be changed into an English version of the Tridentine mass and the Latin version of the mass should be more promoted.
No, the Latin Mass WAS “ripped away”. It was never supposed to be “done away with”. There was never any intention in Vatican II to completely strip away all Latin from the Mass–in fact, the council documents say exactly the opposite of what you are claiming. They say the Latin and Gregorian chant should remain in the Mass–given “pride of place” above other forms. The fact that Latin and chant is near impossible to find these days means exactly that it has been “ripped away” from us.
My guess is that’s what my great-grandparents thought about the Traditional Latin Mass.
I understand that some people prefer the EF of the Mass. And I have no desire to see it done away with at all, even though I don’t attend it. But it sadens me greatly when I see sentiments like this above. I have a special spot in my soul for the OF. It’s where I decided to come back to the Church after all these years. My grandma was as traditional as they come…but sadly she missed the big picture…like sharing her faith with her grandkids or childrenMy sentiments exactly. I don’t like the OF mass. There’s too much room for liturgical abuse in it and the EF is just so much more appealing to the soul. The Novus Ordo mass should be changed into an English version of the Tridentine mass and the Latin version of the mass should be more promoted.
Gregorian chant > awful guitar music
In my parish there are places where they put Latin in and some chanting…particularly at the early Mass where people appreciate it more. The OF is more appealing to my soul because its the birthplace of my love for the Church.If by saying that the same Transustantiation occurs, you would be right, neither is superior. Although the Tridentine Mass was and still is the organic Traditions of the Catholic Church from the days of Mass in the catacombs (at least for Latin Rite Catholics). However Novus Ordo was a “breach” (for lack of a better word) in the Liturgical Tradition of the Mass. Just to be clear though I believe both to be valid and licit.
I disagree here. The OF, in its intended form is just as organic as the TLM. I don’t understand why so many traditionalists treat the TLM like its the be all and end all of worship. Our eastern brothers and sisters have been getting along fine without it for years and have remained relatively intact and don’t have crazy schismatics that have resulted thanks to the hardcore trads in the latin rite…
Maybe because the Novus Ordo was created from the Consilium, headed by Abp. Bugnini, while the Traditional Latin Mass was handed down through the generations.
“If anyone saith…that the Mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only let him be an anathema.” Council of Trent, Session 22, Canon 9 (Sept 17, 1562)
Note how I said “At least for Latin Rite Catholics”. Of course our Eastern brethren have gotten along just fine without the Tridentine Mass because the Divine Liturgy is the liturgical equivalent of the Tridentine Mass for Eastern Rite Catholics and Orthodox. Both the Tridentine Mass and the Divine Liturgy are organic developments of the SAME traditions of the early Christian Masses. No Traditionalist who actually understands the origins of the Mass would argue this and would despise the thought that the Eastern Rite Catholics shuold use the Tridentine Mass. The OF Mass is different though, again I believe that it is perfectly valid and licit (when performed by a Catholic priest) but it is not the organic development of the traditions of the early Christians. It was formulated by Cardinal Bugnini with the contributions of protestants with the intention of “removing even the shadow of a stumbling block” from our “seperated brethren” the protestants. In removing these shadows of “stumbling blocks” those Catholic traditions were also removed.
Small correction: it was Archbishop. He was never given the “red hat.”
The question was if it should be offered in every parish not which is better. With Novus Ordo, all parishes offer it whereas only a few offer the Tridentine Mass. For example here in NL, I have to attend a NO Mass most of the time and only occasionally a Tridentine Mass. Alot of the time traditionalists do not have much of an option.
A more reasonable approach would be to have the Latin Mass in 10 pct of the parishes of the world, and then pursue a policy of Latinization from there.I get that…but most of the answers…several of which have been deleted…explain why we should ONLY have Latin Mass and how the NO is full of abuse. This is not the first thread like this.
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