B
Barbkw
Guest
We’ve had a few idiots in the 265. Luckily, they didn’t found our Church.
- Status
P
Prodigal_Son1
Guest
We cannot agree, or disagree, until we have some scriptures to begin to discern. You inferred that scriptures teach a liberty of choices in worshiping Him. That is something I sincerely would like to see, even if I disagree with the interpretation.
There is no liberty expressed in being of the same mind and judgment, but I’d be interested in your ‘interpretation’ of how it might be?
I’ve also included a direct writing teaching obeying which, again in my opinion, excludes any liberty of ‘choices’.
Please share those scriptures you believe that give man the right to choose how he will worship Him.
P
Prodigal_Son1
Guest
There we have it. The discussion ventured into the deep end and claims were made, based on an interpretation. Now, when it’s been called on, we need to get back on topic. Seems to be an avoidance of showing the documentation and explanation for what’s being espoused here…
C
Curious_Seed
Guest
Very interesting, the way the question is framed.
It begs one to ask the converse: should cafeteria Protestants become Catholic?
But, a wider more meaningful question follows: what is to be, with cafeteria Christians?
Introspectively, we might meditate on areas within our Christian lives where we are less diligent or less involved in evangelization or prayer or charity than should be the case.
Certainly few among us are without some cafeteria catering, in certain respects of our actions.
A
Anthony_V
Guest
No, no, not in that manner, sorry. I meant by degree of translation. Protestantism vs. Catholicism is inevitable due to deuterocanonical texts… It’s like finding out what came first, the chicken or the egg.
I
Incomplete
Guest
These kinds of threads make me so sad. I used to be a cafeteria Catholic. I am so glad there was no internet access at the time; I might have read threads like this and decided it was time to leave the Church.
As another poster mentioned, there is a currently running thread on this topic. I participated a couple of times on that thread. At one point it turned to discussion of a passage in Corinthians that talks about purging the evil one. This was my response:
As another poster mentioned, there is a currently running thread on this topic. I participated a couple of times on that thread. At one point it turned to discussion of a passage in Corinthians that talks about purging the evil one. This was my response:
K
kathmandu
Guest
What it come down to is that, and I should add that I have been a student of scripture for years and have read the bible through several times, I don’t believe the New Testament to be all that it should be. There are gaps, what appears to be missing verses, and outright changes that were made, books discarded, all to make the New Testament “fit” with the Christian religion at that time. It had been diverted away from what Christ actually taught. The bible then became of political tool. Yes, the Roman church did this to fit with what they were teaching at the time.There we have it. The discussion ventured into the deep end and claims were made, based on an interpretation. Now, when it’s been called on, we need to get back on topic. Seems to be an avoidance of showing the documentation and explanation for what’s being espoused here…
I have copies of some of the discarded books and it makes it all so questionable. And it makes me wonder what the Vatican has hidden in its vast basements.
It will be interesting to see what comes from these new discoveries, the lead books that have been found in the Near East in the recent past.
I really don’t want to get into is the bible the word of God argument here and now. It really is off topic.
P
Prodigal_Son1
Guest
It’s not off topic. We’re discussing ‘cafeteria’, or picking and choosing as it’s also referred too. You inferred that scriptures teach a ‘liberty of choices’ in how one can choose to worship Him. Now, if it pleases you, please feel free to use scriptures or those writings you feel might should have been a part of the canon.
So far, you’ve provided many excuses as to why we cannot continue with the discussion, that you yourself raised, as well as the fact that you have not missed an opportunity to place an accusation against the Catholic Church with your innuendos.
Now please share with us, your study of scriptures, that shows that liberty of choice in worshiping Him?
E
estesbob
Guest
I just love it when Protestants explain our Faith to us…
K
kathmandu
Guest
There sure are a lot of schisms in Christianity. The first major one happened when Rome broke off from the Eastern Church in 1054. If you have chosen the Roman Church over Orthodox Catholicism why did you make that choice?
L
Lance
Guest
My short answer is “Yes.”
R
Radical
Guest
Does scripture teach about:
a) Jews (like the apostles) still going to the temple…and Gentiles not?
b) varying attitudes WRT to days being sacred or not (Romans 14:5)?
c)varying attitudes as to what can and cannot be eaten (Romans 14)?
d) …or generally a set of rules for Jewish Christians and another set for Gentile Christians?
e) …or generally a set of rules for mature Christians and another set for immature Christians?
f) the freedom of the believer (1 Cor 10)?
I
Incomplete
Guest
So, no chance to learn and grow.
R
Radical
Guest
well thanks for sharing that unrelated tidbit…allow me to reciprocate: I like cake.
C
Chrisy58
Guest
*I am sorry if people were offended at what I said. That was not my intent. I don’t want to offend people, but I want those Catholics who believe in Liberation Theology/Collective Salvation that our Pope has condemned as a false teaching that leads to hell, to repent and come back to the Catholic church and embrace the teachings of our church. We are reproved by God because he loves us, and we must reprove our Catholic brothers/sisters because we love them and want them to be saved in Christ. When the Amish shun and I am not suggesting we shun them; they do that out of love and wanting them to do right. Our church is very clear about abortion being murder and those Catholics in public office who vote for abortion should be denied Holy Communion. As Catholics we are to respect all life from conception to natural death. That is why we are Pro life and oppose abortion and the death penality. Catholics who belong to a political party that is pro abortion need to think if they can remain Catholics in good standing and vote for and support people who are for abortion. Abortion is a very big issue.
I had one cafeteria Catholic tell me that the Bible is not the word of God, but fiction stories. This person thinks they are a devout Catholic, but they don’t believe that the readings in church are the word of God or that Catholics believe in the Bible. He and others like him think that any Catholic who believes the Bible is the word of God are loons. We have Catholics who think it is ok to live together outside of marriage and that they are not committing any sin and can still take Holy communion.
I am not perfect and never will be. There were many years I was angry at the Catholic church and I stayed away for many years. I got angry of the double standard of some Catholics who are rich getting away with annulling marriages that were valid marriages so they could marry someone else and still receive communion while others who were poor and didn’t sin were told that they just had to let the sin that the rich Catholic did toward them go. I was mad that there was a double standard. I finally realized that God believes in free will and God is not going to force someone to do the right thing. I came back to the Lord and I pray my rosary everyday, chaplet of Divine Mercy everyday and read the daily reading in the missal everyday. I have a strong relationship with the Blessed Mother Mary who I love and adore. She is helping me and every year I see that I am making progress in my Catholic/Christian walk. The most powerful weapon we have in reaching our Catholic brothers/sisters who are Catholic in name only is to pray for them. That is what I do. I pray for their conversion. One can’t be a true Catholic and not believe and follow the teachings of the Catholic church. You might be able to deceive yourselves and think you are, but if you throw out some of the teachings because you don’t want to be unpopular with the world then the world is your master and not Christ. We are told to love Christ with all our heart,mind, and soul. Jesus is to be our master and not the world. Jesus also said the world would hate us as it hated him and we must bear our cross. Yet there are to many Catholics who because they want to be loved by the world support gay marriage which perverts the marriage sacrament of the Catholic church, abortion, birth control, and join with unbelievers in mocking Catholics who do believe the Bible is the Word of God as crazy loons. They mock anyone who believes in Christ and tries to love by the teachings of Christ and stand up for Christ in the world.
I have friends that are non Catholics and they get confused because I am pro life and they know other Catholics who are pro choice and are for funding planned parenthood so that they can continue their murder of the unborn child. They want to know if there are two different Catholic churches. How do I say there is only one Catholic church, and the other Catholic who is pro abortion and pro funding for planned parenthood is outside the teachings of the church and could be denied Holy Communion?
I pray for those Catholics who have chosen the world over their church and Christ. I want them to repent and come home and follow the teachings of Christ and the Catholic church. I have the courage to tell them the truth. I have the courage to pray for them and to stand up to them and say you are wrong to say that the Bible is not the word of God, etc. I would be guilty of hate if I was just silent and allowed them to disobey and pretend that they were right and in good standing with the church when they are guilty of supporting abortion, gay marriage, and other issues that go against the teachings of our church. It is called loving the sinner but hating the sin. I do love the sinner because I pray for them daily. I hate the sin because I am not afaid to tell him that I worry about the condition of their soul.
Our road that we must walk is a narrow road. It is not an easy road. We must keep our eyes on Christ and the true teachings of the Catholic church.
Love Christ with all your heart, mind and soul. Pray your rosary everyday. Read the message of Fatima and take that message to heart. God is beginning to judge this country and it will only get worst. We are not the ones that tell the church what they must believe to make it popular with the world, but the church tells us what to believe so that we can be right with Christ. It is for us to listen to the Pope and not for us to dictate to the Pope that he must support abortion, gay marriage, birth control, etc.
Chrisy
/I*
I had one cafeteria Catholic tell me that the Bible is not the word of God, but fiction stories. This person thinks they are a devout Catholic, but they don’t believe that the readings in church are the word of God or that Catholics believe in the Bible. He and others like him think that any Catholic who believes the Bible is the word of God are loons. We have Catholics who think it is ok to live together outside of marriage and that they are not committing any sin and can still take Holy communion.
I am not perfect and never will be. There were many years I was angry at the Catholic church and I stayed away for many years. I got angry of the double standard of some Catholics who are rich getting away with annulling marriages that were valid marriages so they could marry someone else and still receive communion while others who were poor and didn’t sin were told that they just had to let the sin that the rich Catholic did toward them go. I was mad that there was a double standard. I finally realized that God believes in free will and God is not going to force someone to do the right thing. I came back to the Lord and I pray my rosary everyday, chaplet of Divine Mercy everyday and read the daily reading in the missal everyday. I have a strong relationship with the Blessed Mother Mary who I love and adore. She is helping me and every year I see that I am making progress in my Catholic/Christian walk. The most powerful weapon we have in reaching our Catholic brothers/sisters who are Catholic in name only is to pray for them. That is what I do. I pray for their conversion. One can’t be a true Catholic and not believe and follow the teachings of the Catholic church. You might be able to deceive yourselves and think you are, but if you throw out some of the teachings because you don’t want to be unpopular with the world then the world is your master and not Christ. We are told to love Christ with all our heart,mind, and soul. Jesus is to be our master and not the world. Jesus also said the world would hate us as it hated him and we must bear our cross. Yet there are to many Catholics who because they want to be loved by the world support gay marriage which perverts the marriage sacrament of the Catholic church, abortion, birth control, and join with unbelievers in mocking Catholics who do believe the Bible is the Word of God as crazy loons. They mock anyone who believes in Christ and tries to love by the teachings of Christ and stand up for Christ in the world.
I have friends that are non Catholics and they get confused because I am pro life and they know other Catholics who are pro choice and are for funding planned parenthood so that they can continue their murder of the unborn child. They want to know if there are two different Catholic churches. How do I say there is only one Catholic church, and the other Catholic who is pro abortion and pro funding for planned parenthood is outside the teachings of the church and could be denied Holy Communion?
I pray for those Catholics who have chosen the world over their church and Christ. I want them to repent and come home and follow the teachings of Christ and the Catholic church. I have the courage to tell them the truth. I have the courage to pray for them and to stand up to them and say you are wrong to say that the Bible is not the word of God, etc. I would be guilty of hate if I was just silent and allowed them to disobey and pretend that they were right and in good standing with the church when they are guilty of supporting abortion, gay marriage, and other issues that go against the teachings of our church. It is called loving the sinner but hating the sin. I do love the sinner because I pray for them daily. I hate the sin because I am not afaid to tell him that I worry about the condition of their soul.
Our road that we must walk is a narrow road. It is not an easy road. We must keep our eyes on Christ and the true teachings of the Catholic church.
Love Christ with all your heart, mind and soul. Pray your rosary everyday. Read the message of Fatima and take that message to heart. God is beginning to judge this country and it will only get worst. We are not the ones that tell the church what they must believe to make it popular with the world, but the church tells us what to believe so that we can be right with Christ. It is for us to listen to the Pope and not for us to dictate to the Pope that he must support abortion, gay marriage, birth control, etc.
Chrisy
/I*
G
Greg27
Guest
I personally think the term is unhelpful. In any case, I don’t think Catholics of any stripe should agitate further to get certain groups to leave the church. The church has already lost very large numbers of its members (and not necessarily because they disagree with church teachings). In my own country, the rate of Mass attendance is between 9 and 15% of all baptised Catholics, and there is also a severe priest shortage. What leader of an organisation or business would in this situation want even more people to leave? The church is already very small and just making it even smaller will turn it into an eccentric fringe sect on the margins of society, rather than an organisation worth listening to and respecting.
N
novusCatholic
Guest
Great line, Barbkw.
P
Prodigal_Son1
Guest
Why are you completely changing the topic? Does this mean you can’t produce any documentation to support your statements that everyone is at liberty to choose how they wish to worship?
I notice you chose to present the great schism as Rome being the one to 'break away. There appears to be a certain bias to how you choose to word your posts. It seems to confirm a resentment towards the Catholic Church.
It’s not unusual for someone to use the great schism on these forums. We often see Protestants use the ‘Orthodox card’ against Catholics. It begs the question, ‘if you see the great schism as a ‘breaking’ of the ONE Church, why don’t you belong to one or the other?’
One thing I know for sure, and can readily produce if you disagree, according to scriptures, the Church was meant to be ONE. Of course, this returns us to the discussion you raised and are now avoiding, specifically where is the documentation in scriptures that supports the view you presented that everyone is at liberty to choose the way they wish to worship?
E
ESMDHokie77
Guest
It’s not really unrelated, because the fact is cafeteria catholics might not have left if they TRULY KNEW Catholicism. And it’s often that protestants think they’re learning what Catholics believe but they’re not being objective in that learning, they go in with the bias of wanting/needing to find something wrong with it.
- Status