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mikew262
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Very sad!
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mikew262
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I’m not sure you have the authority to proclaim that.
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Walking_Home
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What we proclaim with our own words denotes whether we are Catholic or not.
If we cannot proclaim with all faith that the Catholic Church is the Church that our Lord Christ established and that the Holy Spirit
has been guiding Her for 2000 years, then this is not Catholic.
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mikew262
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Walking_Home said:
What I mean’t was if somebody is baptized Catholic, they are Catholic, unless that person leaves the Church voluntarily or otherwise. You may disagree with how a person practice’s their faith, but for one person to declare another “not Catholic” is inappropriate.
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johntkd Quote:
who says I do believe its the “one true Church”
I believe in the Bible and as Mikew262 put it “Where 2 or more people gather in my name, I will be there”
That is in Plain print and one of the very first things we were taught in RCIA class, why dont you believe in that, are you the type that picks and chooses certain things to be able to argue a point,
and did Jesus ever come out and say the Catholic Church was the “one true Church”, No he didnt, I can name at least two other denominations that believe they are the “one true church”
Just because a person or an organization makes a claim, dont mean its true or that I have to trust in it…
I am sorry if I do not have the mentality to let any organization control my thinking and life without thought, but thats the way I was raised to be independant, and be able to use my GOD given Brain…so am I reluctant? yes I am… do i believe in lots of things? yes I do.
And remember we are ALL entitled to our own opinions anyways…
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Mikew262,These statements above declare that John does hold to Catholic belief. He himself has voluntarily left the Church, and as it seems, he has been in the Church under false pretense.
My disaggreement on his “practice”, is based in upholding my Catholic faith and following the Churches teaching.
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mikew262
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Walking_Home said:
I myself leave the judging to God.
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And God left us His Church in all Her fullness and glory.
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Walking_Home
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He gave judgment on himself. I and a few others, only reaffirmed his own judgement.
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mikew262
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Walking_Home said:
Ok. No argument there.
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mikew262
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Walking_Home said:
I’m not sure John would agree with that.
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mosher
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Yes I do per the council of Trent. The proposition that you put forward was condemned with an Anathema sit.
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johntkd
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Ok you have forced my hand now and got off why you feel that “Where 2 or more people gather in my name, I will be there” Does not pertain to something when its against the point you are trying to make, I call that passing the buck, you turned it into a I am not Catholic, I never said i was or wasnt under the belief of a one true church, you brought up “Peter” so in turn i bring up the Orthodox Church which is not in communion with rome they claim they are the one true church and that Peter was also thier first pope,the bible they follow uses different translations in MANY verses than does the Roman Catholic bibles, and now ill get into at least one more that claims they are the “chosen people whom will inhabit heaven” most call them a “cult” Jehovas witnesses.
now the second one i just brought up I agree are off thier rockers.
Now lets get to the word “Catholic” translated means “Universal”
it does not mean original, first, or only…
Universal in a short sentence would be “universal fit” that would mean its fits everyone so to speak, Catholic can also mean to fit everyone. now lets get into Scripture, revelations in particular,
the warnings were sent out to (7) SEVEN Churches,NOT ONE
so get over it already.
AND by the way I was Baptised NON Catholic, I am almost done with the RCIA classes. I also will add that I was a very welcome participant in this class as I have some knowledge in many different religions,which were discussed many many times throughout the last few months.
so dont lable someone you dont Personally Know,Your right at this point i am not officially Catholic but yu Know what? Its not a disease to not be Offically Catholic…and for the record Our diocease is always meeting with other denominations.
Also for the record here and just to add your facts are way off, The jewish Faith is the first Church, First religion. and Christ himself was a Jew till the day they killed him, he never renounced his Faith,tear that one apart if you can,But dont label me…
One other thing as a FYI The lutheran Faith also uses the nicene creed word for word ( including the word Catholic), and the “our Father” and many many other identical Prayers and declarations.
what they do not follow is “cannon Law” which was made by man.
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Walking_Home
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Give it up Johntkd,
What ever denomination you come from, you are still there.
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rayne89
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I attend protestant services for weddings, funerals and when we visit my in-laws (although we always make sure we do not miss Mass.) Ofcourse i would never receive communion or answer an altar call or anything like that.
I don’t think I’m scandalizing anyone. When I go to my MIL’s church I bring my Bible (because everyone else has theirs). At time times when I’ve been approached with questions like “What is your home church” or “Are you saved?” I will gladly proclaim my faith and love of Christ. And it’s nice to surprise with the fact that Catholics read the Bible too.
I don’t think I’m scandalizing anyone. When I go to my MIL’s church I bring my Bible (because everyone else has theirs). At time times when I’ve been approached with questions like “What is your home church” or “Are you saved?” I will gladly proclaim my faith and love of Christ. And it’s nice to surprise with the fact that Catholics read the Bible too.
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MaryD7
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Walking_Home said:
That is a very uncharitable thing to say. This man is most likely going to be coming into the Church in 9 days and this is how he is being welcomed by people who don’t agree with his thinking?
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NeelyAnn
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Exactly! I have had several friends who married Protestants and would attend both a Catholic Mass and a Protestant service on Sundays. You know what - none of their spouse’s converted until they decide that they could no longer attend both and took a strong stand for the Catholic Church. Until then, it seemed to their spouses that they believed all faiths were okay and that it did not matter. When they took a stand, their spouses began to look into the difference and converted. BTW - all of them also said that attending both was very confusing for their children too. This is also important to keep in mind. Relativism is a very dangerous practice.
We have a lot of Protestant family. They attend Church with us from time to time but they know that we will never attend Church with them. They understand and respect our position and have even began to read up on the Catholic Church as a result.
The Catholic Church IS the one true faith. We should never do anything to indicate we believe otherwise, or that we are not firm in that belief. Our Communion is truly the Body and Blood of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. The Protestant communion is only symbolic and they do not believe that our’s is anything but symbolic either. We should never do anything to make them believe that we agree. We must also becareful in praying with them because they also differ from us in various other doctrinal and theological issues.
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Walking_Home
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I will never agree with his protestantized view. I am Catholic. I will defend my faith as best as I can, so don’t throw “uncharitable” in my face, it won’t work.
What this man is doing is atrocious. Being received into the Church when he doesn’t believe in Her. For what purpose, to disparage the Church, our faith, to influence others, from within. I have heard enought of this same jargon from the Neocats.
So go ahead, call me what you will, I will not step down, I will defend the Church, our faith, until my last breath.
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Amy_in_MI
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I guess the part about speaking the truth *in love * gets trampled underfoot sometimes on this board. Sheesh…
Anyway, I’m just wondering if there is actually a church rule, cannon law, what have you that forbids Catholics attending another church? Good heavens our church has been around long enough to have a rule/teaching for every possible scenario. There must be something about this??
Anyway, I’m just wondering if there is actually a church rule, cannon law, what have you that forbids Catholics attending another church? Good heavens our church has been around long enough to have a rule/teaching for every possible scenario. There must be something about this??
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Anonimous
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Amy,
It is not about “feelings of love” or even being “nice” or being “politically correct”
There are many people who think the Pope is not “loving” “nice” or “pc”… Those people have left the Church…
And this is the ULTIMATE DANGER of getting in bed with Protestant “churches”…
“The Church has ONE FOUNDATION… which is ST. PETER THE FIRST POPE and the VICAR OF CHRIST ON EARTH”…
It is not about “feelings of love” or even being “nice” or being “politically correct”
There are many people who think the Pope is not “loving” “nice” or “pc”… Those people have left the Church…
And this is the ULTIMATE DANGER of getting in bed with Protestant “churches”…
“The Church has ONE FOUNDATION… which is ST. PETER THE FIRST POPE and the VICAR OF CHRIST ON EARTH”…
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mosher
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Exactly! Acting in love does not mean being nice but rather love is defined as desiring the highest good for the other. A person that has not converted their thinking to the Church before they enter the Church is falling into a grave error and is actually doing a greater harm to their immortal soul than good. When a person enters the Church they make a profession of faith and in that profession of faith means that you must believe all that the Church teaches on matters of faith and morals. To take that profession of faith, that oath apart from complete submission to the teachings of the Church is to enter into a lie and it is only false love that would look over such a grave error as to believe that to be Catholic is to be another denomination among other Catholics is to not hold to one of the central dogmas of the Church.
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