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Charlemagne_III
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That is correct.
I do think, however, that pornographers tend to invoke their 1st Amendment rights.
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I do think, however, that pornographers tend to invoke their 1st Amendment rights.
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987mk
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If you can ban pornography, then youāll be able to ban the Bible or any other material that is deemed offensive.
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987mk
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I know you believe you have an addiction to pornography, but there actually isnāt any scientific evidence that pornography is a addictive.
Thatās not to say people canāt experience real problems with it though.
psychologytoday.com/blog/ā¦-not-addictive
sciencedaily.com/releasesā¦0212153252.htm
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friardchips
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Neither of those links worked.
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friardchips
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Pornography as a rule is a bit further along in the process of sex than written words.
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Bradski
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I think thereās a problem here which no-one has addressed. Which is: what do you class as pornography?
I think itās fair to say that what Justice Stewart said in a pornography case in 1964: āI know it when I see itā, is applicable in almost every case. But the corollary to that is that pornography means different things to different people.
We could all sit and watch a film about boy meets girl and have it run from the most banal of situations through to the most graphic of sex and violence scenes you care to imagine. No two people would agree at which point the film was acceptable and the point at which it must be deemed unacceptable.
Notwithstanding that you are making a personal decision about what you think is acceptable for someone else to see. Would you be happy for someone else to decide what you could watch and what you could read?
I think itās fair to say that what Justice Stewart said in a pornography case in 1964: āI know it when I see itā, is applicable in almost every case. But the corollary to that is that pornography means different things to different people.
We could all sit and watch a film about boy meets girl and have it run from the most banal of situations through to the most graphic of sex and violence scenes you care to imagine. No two people would agree at which point the film was acceptable and the point at which it must be deemed unacceptable.
Notwithstanding that you are making a personal decision about what you think is acceptable for someone else to see. Would you be happy for someone else to decide what you could watch and what you could read?
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987mk
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Not sure why I canāt post links? In any event, just cut and paste into your browser address bar.
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987mk
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If you can ban images you deem offensive, then you can ban words you deem offensive.
Itās a slippery slope of censorship.
Iran bans pornography and lots of other stuff tooā¦like music and dancing.
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ThinkingSapien
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The first amendment would be an obstacle to that. Pornography has never been well defined. Even when there is agreement on what separates pornography from art some basis would need to be presented for why a certain type of pornography leads to harm. For example, pornography that depicts children (even if it were based on illustrations of people that never existed) is illegal and not protected by the first amendment (see this) because it is associated strongly with the exploitation of minors both within our national borders and outside of it.
The pathway to the goal that you are seeking would probably start with demonstrating that pornography is strongly associated with the harm of a group. Even if that can be shown a complete band on pornography is unlikely. A husband and wife might take images that may constitute pornography for their own enjoyment and I donāt think that any harm can be shown.
In the USA I believe the distinguishing features involve physical contact and the exchange of money. If I meet a stranger and have sex with her (or him, if that were what floated my boat) and then we go our own way itās not prostitution. If I meet a stranger and agree to perform sexual acts for money, then itās prostitution. If I pay a lady (or man) to get naked and dance around me in a way that I find highly sexually stimulating but am not making any physical contact itās not prostitution.
More specifically about movies, the same argument that you seem to be forming was brought up in the state of California in People v. Freeman.
Go figure.
Aside: Students are allowed to pray in school. Compulsory and faculty lead prayer in public schools is what is prohibited.
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friardchips
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In response, using an excellent site that another poster mentioned earlier:
chastity.com/blog/are-you-finally-ready-to-be-free-step-four
Are you aware that pornography can be as addictive?
āWhile no one would argue that a video clip, magazine or digital image is a drug, the fact is that the use of pornography does elicit powerful neurotransmitters (or brain drugs) such as dopamineāthe primary neurotransmitter involved in the reward pathways in the brain. According to Neurosurgeon Dr. Donald L. Hilton, āWhen the pathways are used compulsively, a downgrading occurs that actually decreases the amount of dopamine in the pleasure areas available for use, and the dopamine cells themselves start to atrophy, or shrink. The reward cells in the nucleus accumbens are now starved for dopamine and exist in a state of dopamine craving, as a downgrading of dopamine receptors on the pleasure cells occurs as well. This resetting of the āpleasure thermostatā produces a ānew normal.ā In this addictive state, the person must act out in addiction to boost the dopamine to levels sufficient just to feel normal.ā '
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Cimachol
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Honestly, Iām not sure it would be possible to ban pornography at this point given the availability of it online, regardless of the benefits doing so might offer. Anyway, I think most of the culture would oppose us on this if we tried to do it. I would like to see more effective but low-cost Internet filters become available ā a lot of us just want to keep that stuff out of our kidsā hands and prevent ourselves from stumbling upon it.
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friardchips
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I see your point but for governments to be able to make clearer distinctions from one to the other should be easy. Literature and dancing can be in the category of The Arts and pornography in the category of narcotics and prostitution.
Iran has a lot wrong with it then but all countries have their evil ways in one way or another.
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ThinkingSapien
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I agree. also, the internet not only connects computers. It connects people. Some people are looking to see things. Some people are looking to show things. How to you prevent people from showing things or sending things?
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friardchips
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Yes, but it is not as simple as that. As Christians we recognise that pornography is basically demonic because it oppresses. The Church needs to speak out and pressure governments to act. I donāt believe that there are too many websites. Internet security services could easily block or shut down porn sites within an instant - the technology they have at their fingertips. Take this into account: on Freeview there are channels that one can lock from oneās familyā¦but WHY are they on there? Who is receiving the backhander? There is one answer: the television networks. Who else receives the money for these stations. If governments want to shut something down they can. I think it is really that simple.
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Cimachol
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Psychology Today has articles expressing different opinions on pornography addiction:
psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-porn-addiction
My opinion is that it may not be addictive the same way drugs can be, but that it certainly can become out of control and incredibly difficult for the āaddictā to stop using. The good news is that I found, after a very long struggle, that it was finally possible to stop.
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Charlemagne_III
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Oh yeah? To whom? an atheist?
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friardchips
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salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo13/13hilton.php
Maybe this article might help to change your opinion.
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Charlemagne_III
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Are they allowed to pray in unison and out loud?
If so, what Court ruling are you citing?
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Charlemagne_III
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Letās start with the depiction of genital penetration. Thatās specific enough and I donāt know anyone who would say that is not pornography.
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987mk
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Heās just one doctor and a religious one at that.salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo13/13hilton.php
Maybe this article might help to change your opinion.
The bottom line is that the preponderance of evidence has led the medical community to thus far conclude that there isnāt enough empirical evidence to prove that pornography is addictive.
Maybe one day they will find out it is addictive, but that day is not now.
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