Should liberals leave the catholic church?

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patg:
Is there something wrong with a liberal agreeing with the church on something? Does that really offend you?

Nope. Now I guess forming opinions is another liberal sin.
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Actually, pride is a sin, in fact it was the first sin. As a person existing 2000 years after the fact and claiming to know more about Christ than the first followers is pretty prideful, don’t you think?
 
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buffalo:
There is one BIG difference here - Jesus is God, we are not.
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Precisely! The “we” is fallible, which is why some Catholics may disagree with some teachings/doctrine/tradition developed by the “we” vs. by God.
 
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mikew262:
Precisely! The “we” is fallible, which is why some Catholics may disagree with teachings/doctrine/tradition developed by the “we” vs. by God.
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That’s why we say we have the fullness of truth. However, our truths are protected by the Holy Spirit - God Himself.
 
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mike182d:
Were you there when Jesus was alive?

I just ask because I’m curious as to how you know what Jesus taught and how you know it to be true.
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Uh…the Bible?
 
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mikew262:
Precisely! The “we” is fallible, which is why some Catholics may disagree with teachings/doctrine/tradition developed by the “we” vs. by God.
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Who is “we?”

If by “we,” you mean Catholics, then we have the Magisterium to guide us – Christ commissioned His Apostles to teach us. They and their successors cannot teach error.

And what do you mean by "some Catholics may disagree with teachings/doctrine/tradition?’ Is there a special breed of Catholics who are somehow imbued with knowledge the Apostles did not have?
 
vern humphrey:
And what do you mean by "some Catholics may disagree with teachings/doctrine/tradition?’ Is there a special breed of Catholics who are somehow imbued with knowledge the Apostles did not have?
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Yeah! Liberals! They have received a different Revelation.😃 Pehaps Revision A.
 
vern humphrey:
Who is “we?”

If by “we,” you mean Catholics, then we have the Magisterium to guide us – Christ commissioned His Apostles to teach us. They and their successors cannot teach error.

And what do you mean by "some Catholics may disagree with teachings/doctrine/tradition?’ Is there a special breed of Catholics who are somehow imbued with knowledge the Apostles did not have?
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We = Man

Meaning no offense, but your head is in the sand if you think 100% of all Catholics agree with 100% of the Church’s teachings. Mind you I said agree. Disagreeing with something and outright rejecting and not following a certain teaching are 2 different things. Our own clergy and theologians tend to disagree on issues sometimes. Somebody mentioned in an earlier post, that members of the Magesterium are not even in total agreement when voting on issues.
 
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mikew262:
Somebody mentioned in an earlier post, that members of the Magesterium are not even in total agreement when voting on issues.
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Perhaps they have closed themselves off from hearin gthe Holy Spirit.
 
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mikew262:
We = Man

Meaning no offense, but your head is in the sand if you think 100% of all Catholics agree with 100% of the Church’s teachings.
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Meaning no offense, but your head is in the sand if you think it matters what some people agree or disagree with. Jesus did not tell the Apostles, “Now ya’ll gott let the laity vote on doctrinal issues.”
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mikew262:
Mind you I said agree. Disagreeing with something and outright rejecting and not following a certain teaching are 2 different things. Our own clergy and theologians tend to disagree on issues sometimes. Somebody mentioned in an earlier post, that members of the Magesterium are not even in total agreement when voting on issues.
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Did you read the definition of the Magisterium I posted earlier?

Read the last two sentences with special care.
The faithful are obliged in virtue of the infallible teaching power (magisterium) of the Church Teaching, whether this power is exercised ordinarily or solemnly, to submit their understanding to the teaching of the Church. This is called the assent of faith.
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patg:
I’m striking out? I’m discussing a very specific comment about liberals and all you can point to is a piece of church propaganda by a rather strange organization?
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Yes, you are. You are being annihilated by Catholics loyal to the Church that know their faith and why they believe it. The “church propaganda” you refer to was written by a bishop! Also, what “rather strange organization” are you talking about?
 
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JSmitty2005:
You’re a joke.
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Are we to assume that comment was inspired by the Holy Spirit as well? You guys need to lighten up. It’s possible to disagree without being venomous.
 
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JSmitty2005:
Yes, you are. You are being annihilated by Catholics loyal to the Church that know their faith and why they believe it. The “church propaganda” you refer to was written by a bishop! Also, what “rather strange organization” are you talking about?
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What we have here is anti-Catholic trolls pretending to be Catholics. I don’t recognize any specific fundamentalist/evangelical thread though (you can usually tell which sect you’re dealing with in cases like this.) This would indicate athiests.
 
Penny Plain:
Are we to assume that comment was inspired by the Holy Spirit as well? You guys need to lighten up. It’s possible to disagree without being venomous.
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That was in response to a bishop’s scholarly work being branded “a piece of church propaganda by a rather strange organization.” No venom intended. Only calling a spade a spade.
 
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mikew262:
WDisagreeing with something and outright rejecting and not following a certain teaching are 2 different things.
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Can you give an example that explains this line of reasoning? I cannot see how one can “disagree” with a truth, yet not reject it?
 
vern humphrey:
What we have here is anti-Catholic trolls pretending to be Catholics. I don’t recognize any specific fundamentalist/evangelical thread though (you can usually tell which sect you’re dealing with in cases like this.) This would indicate athiests.
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Vern, I think you’re due for a gentle reminder of the actual forum rules which, although not promulgated by the Magisterium, still apply to you. The PMs were funny, but you’re crossing a line with this stuff.

If you don’t like what we say, report us and see what happens.

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