Should Our Military Go On Strike?

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Elaine's Cross:
I must admit that a part of me was baiting, but I was really looking for the reaction on both sides. In the interest of being honest, I must admit that in addition to my normal nightly prayer requests (troubled families, the military in general & specific members that I know including some I am related to, the sick, my family, our leaders, priests and religious, an end to abortion, the poor souls in Purgatory, and others), I also ask that our men and women in Iraq stand down and demand to be returned stateside.
Well, that would leave a huge hole in our national defense. Any military person who engaged in such an action would be unfit to serve anymore. It would be very hard to restaff the military in a short period of time without a draft. Hmmmm maybe that is what you are actually angling for. Or maybe you just want to make the military men and women serving in other countries targets?

As Rayne said, you do not seem to be familiar with or have much respect for the members of the military if you think they would betray their country and their oath in order to forward some anti-war agenda. Our men and women serve with pride and honor in sometimes dangerous conditions. We pray for their safety.
 
What kind of sick post is this??? This is just shameful…that is all I can say about this post. You are requesting our brave soldiers commit mutiny…which is technically punishable by death…way to go Elaines Cross…that is just horrid…on the same note, while our brave men and women are making progress by leaps and bounds, I guess you advocate just abandoning the Iraqis and letting them get slaughtered by the insurgents…I will pray for you.

FYI…just in case you didn’t know this…our soldiers don’t have the privilege to pick and choose their battles…they do their jobs…PERIOD…they don’t have the luxury to decide if they agree with a conflict or not…they do what they are told…just like the brave soldiers they are. You need to clue in.
Elaine's Cross:
The question speaks for itself, dripping of red meat and blood for the hounds to attack.
 
:bowdown: AS always Gilliam…great post and you took the words out of my mouth.
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gilliam:
The Left will wake up one day, on the morning it is led down a dark corridor to a cell floored with rubber mats, sloping curiously down to a corner where a single drain waits to carry fluid away. The walls will be bare but for a banner with the words ‘Allah is Great’ opposite a video camera whose tripod legs are protected with a drop cloth. On a table will be a single knife. And then they will know. Then they will see.

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Elaine's Cross:
It would have been nice if Hitler’s troops had laid down their weapons rather than go into Poland and other countries. From what I’ve read, they were propagandized into believing they were doing the right thing for the “Fatherland” just as our brave men and women were propagandized by our government and Fox News.
Why Calling Conservatives ‘‘Nazis’’ Is Such an Inane and Incongruous Remark
Written by Joe Mariani

Once again, we’re being ‘‘treated’’ to the same tired old cries of liberal outrage. How dare the stupid people of America not whole-heartedly embrace liberal ideas and policies? Why, they must all be mind-controlled. They must all be… Nazis!

‘‘Nazi’’ is a sort of pet insult many liberals use to taunt conservatives without understanding what it really means, the same way a three-year-old will endlessly repeat any four-letter words someone might happen to drop in front of him or her. The more you say, ‘‘Don’t say that; it’s a bad word’’ the more likely you are to hear it.

The Nazi epithet is so over-abused that there’s even a rule concerning it on the Internet, called Godwin’s Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. Sooner or later, someone’s going to resurrect the Nazis… and whoever does so is generally understood to have lost the argument.

Comparing someone to a Nazi involves far more of an emotional appeal than a factual argument, unless the person is, in fact, a card-carrying Nazi. If you’re not actually discussing genocide and brutal world domination, the Nazi comparison is just plain offensive. What confuses most people is its frequent application to pretty much anybody to the ideological right of Lenin.

In fact, the Nazis were actually socialists by nature, not capitalists. In a 1927 speech, Hitler said, ‘‘We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.’’

The word ‘‘Nazi’’ is short for Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei, or National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hitler came to power by turning the unemployed, the working class, and the academic elitists against the rather conservative German republic. In fact, once he achieved power, anyone who questioned his policies was branded a ‘‘conservative reactionary’’ by the state press.

In a widely distributed 1932 pamphlet, Joseph Goebbels addressed the question of Socialism. ‘‘We are socialists,’’ he wrote, ‘‘because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces.’’

The Nazi Party platform contained 25 demands, adopted in 1920 and essentially unaltered at the time Hitler took power. Many of those socialist demands resonate far better with modern-day American liberals than Conservatives.

Despite the historical facts, liberals frequently insist on equating conservatives and Republicans to Nazis. This is only done to stir up feelings of hate, of course. If Democrats want to know why they keep losing elections, it’s because they allow the left-wing politics of hatred to be their public face. Until the Democrats relegate liberals to the minority fringe where they belong, we will continue to see the country slide towards a one-party system, which would be detrimental to us all.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Yes, you were baiting and I took the bait. But like our US military, I will not let injustice go by unchallenged…

My husband will soon be on his way over to protect the liberties and freedoms of the Iraqi people so they too someday will have freedom to practice the relgion they choose. It is NOT some propaganda routine. Do you really think that us families would stand for something like that? We’re a bit smarter than you may think. I think it is you that has fallen for the propaganda of the press. Funny how imbedded reporters aren’t getting as much air time as they used to - since they understand the military practices and agree with them! You need to talk to the men and women of the military and see and hear about the open schools and more electricity and running water than what Saddam EVER gave them. Yes, the military people would prefer to be sitting at home cuddling with their families - who wouldn’t? The military doesn’t want to be their any longer than how long the Iraqis want them there.

You have no idea of a concept of military or what it means to be free. Freedom is NOT free. The Iraqis could not defend themselves against such an evil. Just as it is your duty to report a crime scene and not just put your head in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening because it wasn’t on YOUR property. It is our duty as a superpower nation to defend those who aren’t able to defend themselves. We gave Saddam 8 years of diplomacy. Where did that get the Iraq people that were publicly stoned to death, beheaded, etc. because a teacher reported that a students said something ‘bad’ against ‘the government’?

The Iraqi people went to the polls in fear for their lives to vote for freedom. How many Americans can we get to the polls here in a peaceful environment? If they did not want this freedom, they would not have taken their own lives in jeopardy to vote. And to compare the US military with those of the Nazis is just not excusable and plain disgusting.

Also, if any soldier ahead of my husband would just ‘lay down his arms’ in strike, my husband could be killed. Thank you for thinking of him in your prayers when you ask the military to lay down their arms.

Furthermore, Check out CCC -2304 Respect for and development of human life require peace. Peace is not merely the absence of war, and it is not limited to maintaining a balance of powers between adversaries. Peace cannot be attained on earth without safeguarding the goods of persons, free communication among men, respect for the dignity of persons and people, and the assiduous practice of fraternity. Peace is the “tranquillity of order”. Peace is the work of justice and the effect of charity.

And 2310 - …Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.

Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God”
 
I come going to offer my opinion, looking at this question as one of those whacky “What-if” scenarios. If SOMEHOW you got EVERY member of the USA, USN, USMC, USAF, and USCG to agree to go on strike, you could throw the UCMJ right out of the window. Every member of the military would have commited mutiny, so I doubt they would be prosecuting each other for a crime they all committed. The scary part wouldn’t be if they went on strike, but what they would do afterwards. A very well trained military would be an enormous threat to the homeland which created it. One day you could have a democracy, the next a dictatorship.
 
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ProudArmyWife:
Yes, you were baiting and I took the bait. But like our US military, I will not let injustice go by unchallenged…

My husband will soon be on his way over to protect the liberties and freedoms of the Iraqi people so they too someday will have freedom to practice the relgion they choose. It is NOT some propaganda routine. Do you really think that us families would stand for something like that? We’re a bit smarter than you may think. I think it is you that has fallen for the propaganda of the press. Funny how imbedded reporters aren’t getting as much air time as they used to - since they understand the military practices and agree with them! You need to talk to the men and women of the military and see and hear about the open schools and more electricity and running water than what Saddam EVER gave them. Yes, the military people would prefer to be sitting at home cuddling with their families - who wouldn’t? The military doesn’t want to be their any longer than how long the Iraqis want them there.

You have no idea of a concept of military or what it means to be free. Freedom is NOT free. The Iraqis could not defend themselves against such an evil. Just as it is your duty to report a crime scene and not just put your head in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening because it wasn’t on YOUR property. It is our duty as a superpower nation to defend those who aren’t able to defend themselves. We gave Saddam 8 years of diplomacy. Where did that get the Iraq people that were publicly stoned to death, beheaded, etc. because a teacher reported that a students said something ‘bad’ against ‘the government’?

The Iraqi people went to the polls in fear for their lives to vote for freedom. How many Americans can we get to the polls here in a peaceful environment? If they did not want this freedom, they would not have taken their own lives in jeopardy to vote. And to compare the US military with those of the Nazis is just not excusable and plain disgusting.

Also, if any soldier ahead of my husband would just ‘lay down his arms’ in strike, my husband could be killed. Thank you for thinking of him in your prayers when you ask the military to lay down their arms.

Furthermore, Check out CCC -2304 Respect for and development of human life require peace. Peace is not merely the absence of war, and it is not limited to maintaining a balance of powers between adversaries. Peace cannot be attained on earth without safeguarding the goods of persons, free communication among men, respect for the dignity of persons and people, and the assiduous practice of fraternity. Peace is the “tranquillity of order”. Peace is the work of justice and the effect of charity.

And 2310 - …Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.

Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God”
 
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ProudArmyWife:
Yes, you were baiting and I took the bait. But like our US military, I will not let injustice go by unchallenged…

My husband will soon be on his way over to protect the liberties and freedoms of the Iraqi people so they too someday will have freedom to practice the relgion they choose. It is NOT some propaganda routine. Do you really think that us families would stand for something like that? We’re a bit smarter than you may think. I think it is you that has fallen for the propaganda of the press. Funny how imbedded reporters aren’t getting as much air time as they used to - since they understand the military practices and agree with them! You need to talk to the men and women of the military and see and hear about the open schools and more electricity and running water than what Saddam EVER gave them. Yes, the military people would prefer to be sitting at home cuddling with their families - who wouldn’t? The military doesn’t want to be their any longer than how long the Iraqis want them there.

You have no idea of a concept of military or what it means to be free. Freedom is NOT free. The Iraqis could not defend themselves against such an evil. Just as it is your duty to report a crime scene and not just put your head in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening because it wasn’t on YOUR property. It is our duty as a superpower nation to defend those who aren’t able to defend themselves. We gave Saddam 8 years of diplomacy. Where did that get the Iraq people that were publicly stoned to death, beheaded, etc. because a teacher reported that a students said something ‘bad’ against ‘the government’?

The Iraqi people went to the polls in fear for their lives to vote for freedom. How many Americans can we get to the polls here in a peaceful environment? If they did not want this freedom, they would not have taken their own lives in jeopardy to vote. And to compare the US military with those of the Nazis is just not excusable and plain disgusting.

Also, if any soldier ahead of my husband would just ‘lay down his arms’ in strike, my husband could be killed. Thank you for thinking of him in your prayers when you ask the military to lay down their arms.

Furthermore, Check out CCC -2304 Respect for and development of human life require peace. Peace is not merely the absence of war, and it is not limited to maintaining a balance of powers between adversaries. Peace cannot be attained on earth without safeguarding the goods of persons, free communication among men, respect for the dignity of persons and people, and the assiduous practice of fraternity. Peace is the “tranquillity of order”. Peace is the work of justice and the effect of charity.

And 2310 - …Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.

Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God”

Dear Sister in Christ,
Last 20 years I am in the Middle East, may be you dont know about all the Arab Countries. Especially in Saudi Arabia( where American forcess are serving since 1991) there is NO RELIGIOUS RIGHTS NOR HUMAN RIGHTS. When Saddam was ruling Iraq there were no problem to Practice their Religion to Non Muslims. Even many Churches are there.
But in Saudi Arabia until yet no Churches. Carrying Bible in your hands is crime. Most of the Evengelists are jailed. Still Christians like us are Practicing in sound proof hidden rooms. Why American forcess dont care this? Because your Political leaders care Petrol not Religion.
 
selvaraj said:
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Dear Sister in Christ,
Last 20 years I am in the Middle East, may be you dont know about all the Arab Countries. Especially in Saudi Arabia( where American forcess are serving since 1991) there is NO RELIGIOUS RIGHTS NOR HUMAN RIGHTS. When Saddam was ruling Iraq there were no problem to Practice their Religion to Non Muslims. Even many Churches are there.
But in Saudi Arabia until yet no Churches. Carrying Bible in your hands is crime. Most of the Evengelists are jailed. Still Christians like us are Practicing in sound proof hidden rooms. Why American forcess dont care this? Because your Political leaders care Petrol not Religion.

I am not an expert in Middle East studies, nor will I pretend to be. I admit I do not know much about Saudi Arabia’s status or affairs. I never meant to say we (Americans) went to the Middle East solely to defend the innocent because of religious freedoms. There are many factors involved in war - nothing is ever as black and white as it appears. There is a huge difference, however, between the Saddam regime and that of the Saudi’s family and that of, say, North Korea. One must deal with each individually for progress - what works with one country may not work for another. However this thread is not about the issues/causes of war, but about the posters comments that soldiers, including my husband, is blood hungry and should just put down their weapons and walk away. I found this very offensive.

Bless you for having the courage to practice your faith. You are an inspiration to all of us who take this freedom for granted. Remember that the early Christians had to hide and worship in caves or else be persecuted for their faith. There are many saints in heaven praying for you and your country. God Bless!
 
Heheh…reminds me of that sad lament from some obscure 60s band, “What if they Threw a War and Nobody Came?” Wow, man, far out. Pass the water pipe…

Let’s face it, the left is suffering a little moral exhaustion. It’s just so trying to hear about the war all the time on TV…just wears everyone out. BOORRRRing! Let’s go to Sudan (so we can protest THAT).
 
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