Should the 19 year old Florida school shooter be given the death penalty?

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The right thing is kind of clear, according to Catholic teaching.
And i think that the Church learned from her own mistakes in the past.

Just because she had the right to put to death those who committed sins against the faith, did not mean it was nearly always right. And the outcome proved to not be productive
 
This is quite interesting although, I think, it does assume one is completely a free agent without regard for the influence of ANY external factors. I suppose that is the intention, but it does contrast with the law as well as psychological research.
I don’t this is meant to imply that mitigating circumstances never apply, but only that we will be held morally accountable for our freely chosen actions. If we are unwilling to hold a person responsible for his acts we deny that he is a moral agent, which is the real insult to his dignity.
 
Do you think that part of the severity of the law to execute murderers from God had anything to do with their situation as being in exile?
No, I don’t think that was a consideration. Morality is unchangeable regardless of time or place. What is it that makes any punishment just? Isn’t it that the person deserves what he gets? I’m sure no one would say “He doesn’t deserve this punishment, but let’s inflict it on him because it makes us safer.”

That said, if God called for a murderer’s death in the time of Noah it can only be because such a punishment is just, that it is a fit punishment for the crime. But if it was a fit punishment for murder then it is an equally just punishment for murder today.
 
In the days before cameras, stun guns and pepper sprays and other less than lethal defensive measures, electronic prisons and security measures, electricity, and so much more, the death penalty was necessary.
What are the considerations that should be taken into account in determining what punishment should be applied? We have to understand this before we can talk about what punishment is necessary, and it seems we first have to understand punishment’s primary objective. What is the main concern that must if at all possible be satisfied when someone is punished?
 
I was actually at an exposition this morning about the history of the death penalty, and it did give a global historical perspective on the problem.
I’d be willing to bet the “historical perspective” didn’t include this fact:

“The mounting opposition to the death penalty in Europe since the Enlightenment has gone hand in hand with a decline of faith in eternal life. In the nineteenth century the most consistent supporters of capital punishment were the Christian churches, and its most consistent opponents were groups hostile to the churches.” (Cardinal Dulles, 2001)
 
You are ignoring the woman caught in adultery. That too, was suppose to be punished by death.

But mercy and forgiveness is always available. Jesus took that way, and therefore issued in the new commandment. And told us forgiveness is at hand.

Jesus said He forgave her, and to sin no more. She was guilty, and caught in the act.
 
It has to “redress” the disorder. Executing a person does not restore the lives of the murdered. So execution fails to redress the disorder.
No punishment restores the lives of the murdered, but that is not the meaning of the phrase. What was disturbed was the order of justice, and that is what needs restoring.

“Retribution is civil society’s imposition of a just penalty upon an offender who has violated the order of justice. The purpose of the punishment is to restore the order of justice so violated.” (Fr. John Conley)

It is nothing less than justice that requires a punishment appropriate to the crime, and the state has a positive obligation to apply it.

2266 Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime.
 
@Ender.

Heres the thing.

On a natural, fleshly level I cry out “kill this scumbag.” But that’s my sinful nature speaking, not the Holy Spirit.

It takes effort to silence that voice and instead take the road of mercy and forgiveness of enemies to say “no, he is still human - life without parole in a max security prison is sufficient for both retribution and public safety.”
 
Sentence him to life at hard labor , with no chance for parole…the ‘fruits of his labor’ can be given to his victims, he wouldn’t be a burden to the state, and he’d have a chance to repent…if he chose not to work, he wouldn’t be fed.
 
You are ignoring the woman caught in adultery. That too, was suppose to be punished by death.
I don’t refer to that incident because the church does not refer to it. If that case is supposed to understood to mean that capital punishment is wrong and Christ meant to outlaw it then the church failed for 2000 years to understand that point.
But mercy and forgiveness is always available. Jesus took that way, and therefore issued in the new commandment. And told us forgiveness is at hand.
Was God wrong when he told Noah that murderers should die? Did morality change between the old and new testaments? Or do we need a slightly different understanding of mercy and forgiveness?

Yes, forgiveness is always available, but as I pointed out before that does not mean our sins will not be punished, and it should be abundantly clear that forgiveness is not granted to those who do not repent.

1847 “God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us.” To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults.

As for mercy, it cannot be understood to trump justice. Both are required.

“Mercy differs from justice, but is not in opposition to it” (JPII, Dives in misericordia)
 
It takes effort to silence that voice and instead take the road of mercy and forgiveness of enemies to say “no, he is still human…
Charity obliges us to assume the best of others. To assume, that is, if a person says someone should be executed he does so not because of a bloodthirsty desire for revenge, but because he thinks the punishment is just.
…life without parole in a max security prison is sufficient for both retribution and public safety.”
This is the right question to ask: does it suffice for retribution?
 
does it suffice for retribution?
Honestly, as someone who has had the unfortunate experience of doing time in jail, if I had to choose life without parole in max security or death, I would choose death.

IMO life wo parole in MS is both harsher punishment AND preserves the dignity of life - a double winner.
 
Is it possible that he was demonically possessed and isn’t in control of what he does?
 
Just because we believe in eternal life doesn’t mean that it’s OK to help people be getting there faster.
I differ with the late great Justice Scalia on this point.
 
Also, as a practical matter of law, it’s not “should” this and “should” that.
If Florida tries to execute this kid who is just over the legal age limit for execution, probably mentally disturbed, and no doubt in grief from the recent death of his parent, there’s going to be so many appeals that he likely will not be actually put to death for at least another 25 years, and the overall impact on death penalty law in Florida might not be a positive one.

Once all the elected officials and the district attorney are done playing to the crowd, they would be wise to take some sort of a plea bargain and LWOP this guy. Just sayin’.
 
It’s my understanding that he either plans to or already has pled guilty?
 
It would be rather hard to plead not guilty given the circumstances.

Edited to add, the standards for a plea of “not guilty by reason of insanity” or something like that are very, very different from the type of mental health evidence that a good lawyer - and this guy will get the best lawyers because his case is so high profile, unlike your garden variety murderer - would gather to present in the mitigation phase of a death penalty proceeding to show that the perp shouldn’t be executed.
 
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