Should the 19 year old Florida school shooter be given the death penalty?

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Didn’t Jesus also say: “Give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and to G-d that which is G-d’s”? What is your interpretation of this statement, and does it apply to the State’s punishment as compared to that of G-d? Serious question, not meant to reject your argument.
 
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Then, in a peculiar sense, Catholicism agrees with Sartre’s existentialism and Camus’ humanism.
 
Yes, its relavant. We respect that the State has authority to make laws. If they choose to lawfully excecute criminals who committ murder or heinous crimes, its not necessarily murder. The guilty have broken the law of the land. Yet Jesus issued in God’s higher law of loving one another as ourselves.

However, Christian law surpasses secular law. And it ought to be subject to Church law!

We are to be subject to governing authorities and law unless it contradicts God’s law. God is not concerned about money, so taxes are not the business of God.

But the Gospel speaks to the Church and to indivuals. All individuals have to follow God.

The thread was asking what we believe the State should do with this man. I believe incarceration with a life sentance in justice, because we are called to offer our forgiveness to everyone for the sake of their reconciliation with God and man.

The forgiveness is that we wish no harm on them. And incarceration actually protects them from being murdered. And we wish for them to give their ultimate penalty to Jesus, for which He suffered and died!
 
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no, we need to study these kids and find out why they do these things. We need to go into the school and make it much more difficult to bring weapons into the school. First thing I would do is stop all backpacks and purses.
 
Before I had no issue with your argument. Now, however, I do, especially when you say “Christian law surpasses secular law.” That statement, to me as a Jew, is a red flag. Why not Jewish law? Or Muslim law? Or Hindu law? If Catholic canon law, why not Protestant biblical teaching, or Orthodox teaching? No, we live in a multicultural, multiethnic, mutli-religious society, not a Christian state. Christian law must NOT take precedence over constitutional law when dealing with issues of the State.
 
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Not dehumanizing anyone. Once they break they law they become criminals. Plain and simple.
 
I agree with all of this. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Unfortunately, it seems to me that with the current administration and Congress (perhaps the previous Congress as well), there is little will to do anything to deter, if not prevent, this kind of killing from happening again. So, sadly, it will probably continue to happen, and more young, innocent, civilian lives will be lost to bloodshed.

I was shown a tree diagram which said if the perpetrator was Muslim, the response would have been a more stringent travel ban; if he had been Hispanic, tougher laws regarding immigration; if Black, more prisons and harsher penalties; if White, thoughts and prayers. Sad but likely true.
 
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To us, Christian law is our salvation. Therefore it should be highest in our personal observance.
 
If we kill him, we will not know so much of his intentions. That is the selfish reason that will probably actually prevail.
 
Yes, in your PERSONAL observance, but not necessarily State policy.
 
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Honestly, as someone who has had the unfortunate experience of doing time in jail, if I had to choose life without parole in max security or death, I would choose death.

IMO life wo parole in MS is both harsher punishment AND preserves the dignity of life - a double winner.
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It seems clear that this individual preferred not to die.
 
On a Catholic Forum, yes, but not on a Jewish Forum or Muslim Forum, and so on. I repeat: we live in a multi-religious society, and that is part of the beauty of America.
 
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You believe your Jewish faith is higher than the Christian, or Buddhist, right?

Otherwise, you would adhere to those religious teachings.

If i move to Japan, or Korea, or Sumeria, the law of the Catholic faith is still what I follow.

The Catholic faith tells us to be subject to the governing authorities!
 
Wrong. I do not believe my Jewish faith is “higher” than the Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, or any other faith. I believe every faith has something worthwhile to offer us, and all should and must be respected in our kind of society. We do not live in Japan, Korea, or Sumeria; we live in the United States of America. This country believes, at least theoretically, in religious tolerance for all, including minority religions; therefore, no one religion or its law should take precedence. That is part of the American creed and in the Bill of Rights (which, so I hear, conservatives are so adamant about, particularly when it comes to gun rights).
 
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This is your belief based on your Catholic faith, and not representative of all or most Catholics since it is quite intolerant. Surely, as a philosopher, you can understand and appreciate that people may have different religious views. Even within any given religion, there are different viewpoints.
 
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The Catholic faith is the one true faith. There is no other. Truth is not relative. There is one truth, and that can be found only in Christ. Your views are simply false.
 
I’m not here to debate religion with you or anyone else. I brought up the subject only in response to another poster’s argument against the death penalty.
 
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