Should we continue to go to Counseling?

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might not be a valid marriage…
How dare you question if this marriage is valid or even throw that into the mix.

Distracted,
Would God be please with your advice for this man to walk away from his Christian wife?? I think that you are walking outside your lane on this one!
 
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MOnkey:
Apart from being called a fanatic I am now accused of being a liar.

My wife’s only intention in going to Church with me is to be a decoy, to question everything I do there, and to mock me. She thinks I have a dual personality because I bow down when I hear the name Jesus, and I get really upset when she blatanly attacks the Church, even thou I’ve asked her repeately not to do so. She also brings up random topics about religion, and get upset because according to her, the only thing I talk about is religion. Even thou I’ve asked her that we should never talk about religion and just goto different churches.

I fear that my soul is in danger as I don’t really know what to do.
Trust me, brother, run and don’t look back.
 
I don’t know who’s omitting key facts or stretching the truth here, nor do I want to get embroiled in one couple’s crisis, but I do have to say that emeraldcoast’s suggestion of a neutral counselor is a good one. If one side of the argument is Catholic and the other side is Fundamentalist Protestant, then a mainline Protestant, such as a Lutheran, Episcopalian, Quaker, or Methodist counselor would at least be able to split the difference to some extent. For that matter, a Jewish counselor at least would not have an appearance of taking theological sides.
 
Why did this leave the Non-Catholic Forum? The spouse is not Catholic and she too is seeking help in this marriage. Very few non-Catholics will see this post here and be able to offer advice for this wife. She is our Christian sister too.

God Bless!
 
Apart from being called a fanatic I am now accused of being a liar.
i apologize… but please understand that i do not know the situation… which comes to teh point of who does… God… People here are in varying degreess of depth in relationshiop to Him… but that doesn’t mean they have answers for you… All i know is that the Church teaches certain things about what makes up a valid marriage… Maybe yours is valid & maybe not… But again, it doesn’t sound like you are getting along, doesn’t sound like there is much respect, for sure… so why live with that kind of thing? To me, life is hard enoguh as it is… Being separated does not mean not speaking to each other…
My wife’s only intention in going to Church with me is to be a decoy, to question everything I do there, and to mock me. She thinks I have a dual personality because I bow down when I hear the name Jesus, and I get really upset when she blatanly attacks the Church, even thou I’ve asked her repeately not to do so. She also brings up random topics about religion, and get upset because according to her, the only thing I talk about is religion. Even thou I’ve asked her that we should never talk about religion and just goto different churches.
if all that is true… and i assume it is… I would definitely leave… To abuse yourself (allow someone to abuse you) is about the same as abusing someone else… if not worse… after all, you can’t save anyone but yourself… and according to the bible, you can barely do that… :eek: Jesus said that the road to eternal life is narrow and there are few who find it. He also said that many people will not be “strong enough” to enter the gates of Heaven…

The world, the flesh & the devil are more powerful than human beings left to their own devices (without Jesus)… You have Jesus totally if you are in the Church… and

there is another scropture that says we are to love Jesus more than father, mother, children, even our very selves… so what is the big deal about leaving a wife who is, apparently (just going by what has been said)… making your life miserable (etc)?

have you spent a lot of time with Jesus at the blessed Sacrament latley??
that does wonders for me… (and i don’t know about anyone else, but I always have to be There at least an hour before i get all - or most - of the worldy gunk out of my head/heart…)…

I can only say what i feel about your situation… I feel that something is terribly wrong…

& only Jesus, who knows both of you better than anyone else including yourselves, can fix this…
I fear that my soul is in danger as I don’t really know what to do.
Jesus said to do whatever you have to in order to enter heaven… leave everything else behind… (st. mark 10:17)…

He even said to pluck out our right eyes if need be… to cut off our foot if it causes us to stumble…

(Feet are pretty importnat… some would say “needed”…) 😃
 
Have you spent a lot of time with Him at the blessed Sacrament??
Yes, and I may plan on doing that more. I’m also going to a Spiritual counselor, but haven’t talked much about my marriage yet (we’ve only met twice).

From what most of you guys have said, it looks like I’m living in sin so I need to seek the council of the Church.
 
M0nkey,

You have found a new love for Christ and the Church, great. But you can’t expect your wife to appreciate the fact you want her to change. You said you are praying for her conversion. Keep praying but let her come to the church in her own way and in God’s time. You can’t force or browbeat someone into loving the Church. You both could benefit from reading the books by Scott and Kimberly Hahn about their journeys into the Catholic Church. I highly recommend them.

Since you didn’t know the church’s laws about marriage, you too need to learn more about your faith. Maybe you two could learn together. I think your wife is a ‘keeper’. She doesn’t agree with you but she cared enough to go to mass with you for 7 months!

Yes, you need to go to counseling so you can both learn to deal with your differences. You need to respect each other. Think about the things that first drew you together. Some of the things you like about your wife probably were a result of her Baptist upbringing.

There is one very positive thing about the problem you are having. It is because you each care about God. Would you rather be married to someone who thinks religion is unimportant? I say hang in there and keep up with the counseling, maybe with a different counselor.
 
There is one very positive thing about the problem you are having. It is because you each care about God. Would you rather be married to someone who thinks religion is unimportant? I say hang in there and keep up with the counseling, maybe with a different counselor.
the only thing that makes me wonder is… Anyone who would go to Church just so she could ridicule it and be disrespctful toward her husbnad…

but again, i don’t know the whole story…

I guess if she is interested in Jesus… and tries to center her life around him… that is what… and the only thing, that would make her a 'keeper"…

If she is just trying to find ways to down her husband and his Chruch… that’s… well… at least a sign that something needs to change somehow…

Not being God… i am not sure waht to say…

(and yet… Since when did that stop me? 😃 )
 
the only thing that makes me wonder is… Anyone who would go to Church just so she could ridicule it and be disrespctful toward her husbnad…

but again, i don’t know the whole story…

I guess if she is interested in Jesus… and tries to center her life around him… that is what… and the only thing, that would make her a 'keeper"…

If she is just trying to find ways to down her husband and his Chruch… that’s… well… at least a sign that something needs to change somehow…

Not being God… i am not sure waht to say…

(and yet… Since when did that stop me? 😃 )
Yes, you really don’t know the whole story. I think it’s obvious to both of them that there is a problem - to what extent we’ll never know unless we’re an earwig in their ears.

Don’t discount the good in anyone, no matter what difficulties they may have in trying to understand. That’s the Catholic Way. And honestly, it really isn’t our place to judge.

Peace.
 
Some of the things you like about your wife probably were a result of her Baptist upbringing
I can speak for that since what attracted me was her moral upbringing. Both her parents are devout Fundamentalist (Bible Protestants). Which brought me sort of closer to the Protestant faith, I agreed with most of it: Papal fallability, Hirearchical Corruption, not based on Scriptures (partly), the seemly apparent worship of Mary, etc. I even partially attended her church, and once held that it didn’t matter what church we attended, be it Lutheran, Bible Church, etc., as long as the Pastor gave good sermons. Until one day I decided to read in the Gospels and truly test my Catholic faith against it (as she constantly challenged what I believed) and ever since then, there is no doubt in my mind this is the One True Church, the Apostolic Church.
 
Me and wife have been married for a little more than a year. Just recently (about two months ago), we hit a pretty hard bump on the road and I think our religious differences are really starting to show it’s thorns. I was Baptized Catholic and she Protestant (Fundamentalist). We have been going to Counseling for the past month or so, and I see nothing’s changed in our marriage. I constantly pray for her conversion but it seems that all I get is being called a fanatic for having deep convictions in the Faith. Recently, I found out I’m not supposed to be taking the Eucharist, given that we did not have a Catholic wedding. So I called the Parish to attend a marriage class for co-validation and now she claims I’m forcing her to conversion. The other day, I attended the Holy Day of Obligation of the Assention of Our Lady, and I got acussed of worshiping Mary. It’s getting to the point where I can’t even talk freely about the Church as she immediately calls me a fanatic and a blind follower of the Pope. It seems to me we may have rushed into this marriage, without mitigating for our spiritual differences. We are already aware that the problem lies in our differences but for some reason we seem to always butt heads, without treating each other with respect first. I’m beggning to think that perhaps counseling is not the best answer for these sorts of issues, if anyone has any (name removed by moderator)ut on this please, please let me know.

We already tried talking to a Priest about this and got no response. I was hoping if we did take this marriage class, we could get to talk to a Priest and he may guide us further, but it looks like I’ll be showing up by myself for that as she won’t come.
I don’t mean to sound insensitive to both of your religious ideals; however, marriage is a covenant before God – our Lord will not care what denomination you choose to go and worship Him in; but He will care if you and your wife get a divorce – and use Him as a reason. This is not a valid reason for divorce. You’re both Christians & both accept the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith (belief in Christ as our Savior). You both knowingly entered into this marriage knowing your denominational differences. Thus you have a duty to reconcile these differences; and there may have to be compromise.

I would say a fundamental church would be culture shock for a Catholic (and for me too quite frankly – even though I’m a reformed protestant); but she will not become Catholic – that’s pretty apparent. Even if you take her to a priest and convince her in the short term – she will face objections from her family & as soon as she runs into a well informed Protestant it will all go down the tubes (believe me).

Perhaps there may be other alternatives? Feel free to PM me if you have any questions of me. Frankly, I don’t care what church you and your wife wind up agreeing on – I just hope & pray that you do find agreement & you both remain Christian.
 
don’t insult people’s intelligence. Of course she isn’t going to become Catholic just to please her husband… That may enter into the picture but it is very rarely, if ever, the dominating reason…

And if she is interested in becoming totally Catholic, why would she want to continue going to her past church… except to keep in touch with friends or whaatever… and she can do that without going to hteir churhc…
Was there a fly in your breakfast? You seem to be a bit on edge.
 
the only thing that makes me wonder is… Anyone who would go to Church just so she could ridicule it and be disrespctful toward her husbnad…

but again, i don’t know the whole story…

I guess if she is interested in Jesus… and tries to center her life around him… that is what… and the only thing, that would make her a 'keeper"…

If she is just trying to find ways to down her husband and his Chruch… that’s… well… at least a sign that something needs to change somehow…

Not being God… i am not sure waht to say…

(and yet… Since when did that stop me? 😃 )
Well, you don’t usually keep asking questions about a religion if you don’t care about what the truth really is. The reason I suggested they study the faith together (with someone else or in a class) is that I get the feeling that M0nkey is feeling he is under attack and may have trouble answering her questions. So if someone else was giving her the answers that would take the pressure off him.

I really think the book by Kimberly Hahn would give him insight into his wife’s position. Her husband converted to Catholicism and that put her in a very painful position.
 
Even if you take her to a priest and convince her in the short term – she will face objections from her family & as soon as she runs into a well informed Protestant it will all go down the tubes (believe me).
You are correct in the sense that she’s very close to her parents, being ridiculed by her parents, as they are very vociferous about their beliefs will definetly have her running back. In fact, that’s another one of our problems since I’m constantly having to deal with her parents, her mom in particular.

This is the reason why I don’t believe in her going to Church with me, as I don’t believe in forced conversions. I sincerely don’t think she’s doing it because she loves me. What I do know is that I cannot continue in living like this, something is wrong, my mind knows this, my soul knows this; I’m locked-in in a marriage where disrespect and derision supercede Love and solidarity.
 
thiss is not good advice… You are not Catholic so you have no buisness telling him such things… like don’t go to a Catholic counselor. What - is he suposed to go to a counselor who believes somethign entirely differnt??

A non-catholic like yourself does not understand this man’s devotion to his faith…

I do… because i believe & feel the same way… about its importance in one’s life…

on the lighter side…

I wish people would become Cahtolic before they go thinking they understand Catholicism… 😃
I’m just curious – do you think the OP presents a valid reason for divorce (under God’s law) if she will not become Catholic?

If you ask me he married her knowing she wasn’t Catholic, in the beginning of their relationship actually acted like he was interested in become a protestant (or perhaps even became a protestant), and now he had a change of heart (yet again) & is apparently perplexed as to why his wife isn’t going along with him?

So he presented himself to be one thing, changed his mind after tying the knot (and after making a covenant before God) – and what, she’s the wishy washy one?

Are you saying this individual is in the right just because he is Catholic and she is not? Frankly, talk to him next week, maybe he’ll be a Hindu … who knows (he might read a compelling sentence in the Quran and grown a foot long beard and slap on a turban).

If I get this right first he was a die hard Catholic. Then some girl had him floating off to a fundamental protestant denomination. Now he wants to float back to you guys. I’m guessing he’s really not ready for marriage. He said he read a sentence in scripture and is now considering divorce? I say – keep reading!
 
Ask her if she will please read the following books which can be purchased at EWTN.com:

ROME SWEET HOME by Scott and Kimberly Hahn

BORN FUNDAMENTALIST - BORN AGAIN CATHOLIC
David Currie was raised in a devout Christian family. Since his father was a Fundamentalist preacher, his upbringing was immersed in the lives of Fundamentalist Protestants. This book serves as an explanation to his friends and family as to why he converted to Roman Catholicism. Paperback. 215 pages.

You should read them too. Maybe you could agree to table any religious discussion until you both have finished them. Her parents should read the second one just so they can understand the Catholic point of view. It might reassure them that you are ‘saved’, or at least might be, and that Catholics are Christians.
 
If I get this right first he was a die hard Catholic. Then some girl had him floating off to a fundamental protestant denomination. Now he wants to float back to you guys. I’m guessing he’s really not ready for marriage. He said he read a sentence in scripture and is now considering divorce? I say – keep reading!
Very presumptive statement. And no I was not, no way, no how, in any way, shape or form a die hard Catholic (if I was, then I wouldn’t have jumped in marriage). My dad was actually an atheist for the longest time (I don’t know what he is now) and that kinda rubbed off on me. I’ve believed in God since I was 19, but never really had any convictions until recently.

And seriosly, if you are using this thread as a decoy to bash the Faith (here it comes, once again) then GET OUT!!
 
Claire from DE:

I know you guys are going to rally behind this guy & I for one won’t offer religious advice because I’m protestant & this isn’t an appropriate forum.

However, surely you can see the wifes point? You all cannot be blinded to the husbands culpability in this mess – I hope?

Believe with the way this guy bounces around, give me ten minutes with him, I’ll make him swear that John Calvin was the best thing since sliced bread. Look, if the wife became Catholic, great, no problem here. However, from the looks of this character she’ll become Catholic and the following week he’ll change his mind again (once he reads another compelling verse that makes him question a Catholic doctrine).

Talk about a shipwreck!

Nothing wrong with exploring faith before you’re married. However, when you make a commitment and part of that package is a certain understanding concerning faith – if one partner breaks that understanding it’s their fault … period.
 
Her parents should read the second one just so they can understand the Catholic point of view. It might reassure them that you are ‘saved’, or at least might be, and that Catholics are Christians.
Not real sure where they stand in their Catholicity. Last I heard her dad thinks that you pray for our dead, which is a very Catholic teaching. But other than that, I’m not sure.

Oh an I’m also attempting to get more involved with the Church and make friends that share in the same Love of God (already made one!) since I feel very loonely right now.
 
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