Should we force someone to convert to Catholicism?

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Ummm, are you certain about this? My understanding is that Baptism is efficacious.
 
Baptism is Jesus that comes to us. The burden of Jesus is lite but it needs to be chosen. In childhood we are raise in the culture of our family and all the one who surround us. We chose for our children the path that we believe in love and wisdom that will be better for them. Now if they grow up and reject the baptism it’s their path. But never, never should anyone be forced, it not a true joining, not really making the path the choose of the life.
 
How do you explain the case of Edgardo Mortara who was baptised against his will and against the will of his Jewish parents. After this the Pope said he was a Catholic and had him taken away from his Jewish parents. From what you have said the child was not a Catholic so how do you explain the fact that the pope took the child away from his Jewish parents on the basis that he was a Catholic and deserved a Catholic upbringing and not a Jewish upbringing?
 
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That was as much, if not more so, the Spanish State than the Church… at least in terms of the true underlining motivations.
 
Yes I do. I have done quite a bit of studies of Judaism and anti-Semitism in the Church, especially in the Middle Ages. The State and the Church were so intertwined during the period of the Inquisition that you cannot say that one was responsible and the other was not. It was the Church that forced baptism on the Jews and their eventual expulsion. Both were complicit in the execution of the actions.

The Church needs to take responsibility for its anti-Semitism leading to the deaths of millions of Jews.
 
On top of that The Mortaras were told they could have Edgardo back if and only if they converted to Catholicism. To me blackmail is also an attempt to force conversions.
 
Not all Catholics act according to Catholic teachings and even commit faults. Really this is kind of obvious.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
The Church needs to take responsibility for its anti-Semitism leading to the deaths of millions of Jews
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I have pleaded with members of CAF to stop making excuses and trying to cover up abuses. It looks terrible on the outside when we do that. Don’t try and deny history, instead take ownership and don’t repeat past mistakes. If you talk to many members here they will tell you that all the forced conversions and the Inquisition were 100% the government and that the Church was just begging the government not to do it🙄
 
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Not all Catholics act according to Catholic teachings and even commit faults. Really this is kind of obvious.
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But when the Catholics are in a position of power, it make for extremely serious consequences. That hasn’t changed much over time, as we know from current problems.
 
I am sure the Lord doesn’t approve of forced conversion. That would not even be real! Conversion needs to be a free response of the grace offered.
 
That’s more of an individual fault then the Church in its entirety.
 
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That’s more of an individual fault then the Church in its entirety.
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And when those in power act from the authority given to them by the Church, and in the name of the Church, it is more than an individual’s fault. Sorry.
 
I can not say it any better than wkj, so I will let it rest with his/her words.
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I have pleaded with members of CAF to stop making excuses and trying to cover up abuses. It looks terrible on the outside when we do that. Don’t try and deny history, instead take ownership and don’t repeat past mistakes.
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