Should we watch Michael Voris?

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TMC said:
As I recall, Voris teaches that the Jews of today are not real Jews - he says that “real” Judaism ended with the destruction of the temple, and that today’s Jews are not real Jews. I think he goes so far as to say that modern day Jews do not really believe in God. He also says that God’s covenant with the Jewish people has ended, and that Jews cannot be saved. All of those things are directly contradicted by the Church’s teaching.
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It is true that the Jewish people of today do not worship in the same way as the Jewish people of the Old Testament and yes, their religious rituals (animal sacrifices) of the Old Testament did stop within just a few years of the destruction of the temple.

And, yes, also the covenent with the Jewish people did end. Jesus came to bring us a New Covenent.(New Testament). Jesus was the last and final sacrifice for sins. Jewish people can only be saved through the sacrifice of Jesus. Salvation is found only in the Catholic church and if a Jewish person is saved it is because of the Catholic church, not because they are Jewish.

Much of the Jewish nation has turned from God and become pretty secular.
 
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CurtisHouse said:
What are your thoughts on him and whether it is a good idea or not to continue supporting his work?
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There are many places to go to find the good things happening in the Church but very few will point out the sins and the need for repentence and, as our bishop calls it, the need for “cleansing” of the impurities in the Church. Church Militant does that. They do expose things that no one else does. I will admit they do seem to focus on the sexual sins but hopefully that has helped save many children from sexual abuse and I believe the exposing of these sins has done that and sexual sins does seem to be one of the greatest problems in the Church right now.

Their catechetics videos are good and I like to listen to Christine Niles headlines.

Just be sure and visit other places that also give you the positives and the good in the Catholic church.

God bless.
 
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Bishop Barron is solid, as is Fr. Mike Schmitz, (also a prolific Catholic Youtuber), although the latter talks fast, like he has a train to catch or something. 😆

I also love aleteia.org

I recommend staying away from spiritually toxic “Catholic” websites that, frankly, are as angry at the Catholic Church as a number of atheists.
 
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I see little/no reason to watch or follow Michael Voris or the Church Militant. There are plenty of solid, orthodox resources about Catholic Doctrine. And as to his exposing problems within the Church, 2 or 3 things come to mind: his attitude is not constructive to solutions at all. There are some fairly good Catholic news sources and bloggers which cover the Church objectively, or at least between them presenting all sides to a given story. I do not see how it could be conducive to anyone’s growth in faith.
 
You should pray for Michael Voris.
You can watch him if you’re not going to get all wound up by whatever agenda he’s pushing.
I’ve met a lot of Michael Vorises on a personal crusade over something.
They usually harp on about the same 5 points over and over, so after you’ve watched a couple times then you’ve pretty much seen his act and there’s not much reason to keep tuning in.

I would not recommend him to anyone currently forming their faith or new to the Church. I cast a jaundiced eye at his schtick once in a while but he’s never going to be on the level of the Fulton Sheen/ Mother Angelica/ Bishop Barron etc types who are actually spiritually uplifting. Even Fr. Z and Fr. Ripperger have more to contribute than Voris, he mostly just wants to dish the dirt…a Dominick Dunne of Catholicism methinks.
tafan2 said:
his attitude is not constructive to solutions at all.
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True dat.
 
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Apologies but calling the BBC or, even, Reuters objective is a bit of a joke.

It seems that most people dislike the personality of Voris and his personal Catholic devotion to the more traditional and orthodox Catholicism and his calling out of dissident priests, bishops and cardinals. As someone who has just came into the faith this Easter Vigil I find Voris both necessary and insightful. Certainly for some he will not come off well but that is surely the same for any and all people who speak on such important issues? I believe that his intentions are for the benefit of the Church and the faithful and that they do not come out of a place of malice or rage but out of a genuine need to clear the church of sin and filth. Will that upset some? Sure. However does the Church and do certain Clergy need some light shone on what needs to be illuminated? Yes.
 
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Not against anyone or advising people not to watch CM. If you can maintain peace after watching CM and know there are facts being presented and not assumptions, then that’s the person’s choice to watch or not to watch CM.
 
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Maxirad said:
Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong has described Voris’s Church Militant website as “disgraceful.”
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That doesn’t carry much weight, Dave Armstrong, has also butted heads with Karl Keating, over Keating’s criticism of Pope Francis. And Keating is not one for being accused of divisiveness.
TheLittleLady said:
Sin pointer outer in other people is not one of the Charisms for laypersons. We are to focus on our own sins, and to help those over whom we have authority (our children).
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It’s stuff like this, that I don’t believe is a fair criticism of CM or Voris. He points out errors, heresy, scandals, corruptions, etc, etc. He’s not going around chastising clergy simply for being sinful.

What I find ironic is how people on this forum will bend over backwards to defend and or explain the words and actions of someone like James Martin, Cdl Dolan or Cdl Wuerl, yet when the topic turns to Voris, it’s always a fast and hard condemnation of his work. No understanding or explaining, just a simple “Stay away”, “avoid him”, “he’s divisive,” “he’s a reactionary”, “he’s a Grinch”, “he’s mean”, “he attacks the Pope and the Church,” and on and on and on…
 
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I used to watch him until he became overly critical of the Pope.
 
I understand and I’m sure there are others who feel as you do.

It’s just odd how some will accept, at face value, the words or comments of certain clergy and yet won’t even read a news article if it’s linked to CM or lifesite.
 
CurtisHouse said:
That is true. What caused it to be removed and the name had to be changed? Was that around the time of his last season of The One True Faith?
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His organization used to be called “Real Catholic TV”. Canon law stipulates that an apostolate must have the approval of the local bishop to use the word “Catholic” in their name. They did not have the approval, and they knew they weren’t going to get it, so they changed the name to Church Militant. It is to Voris’ credit that he changed the name (unlike, say, the National Catholic Reporter which continues to use the word “Catholic” even though they have been asked not to many times over the years).
 
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Church Militant is a trick subject.
I do believe they are good hearted Catholics, but in the process of trying to do good, they cause some problems.

To “solid” Catholics their videos won’t do any major harm, but for Catholics loosing their fate… it might be the last nail on their coffin.
 
TheLittleLady said:
From every exposure I have had, Mr Voris’ words are selected to cause outrage in the listener.
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This is probably the most succinct way of putting my aversion to him. It’s not that he’s necessarily a bad guy nor that he’s a flaming heretic. The videos I’ve seen from him seem crafted to elicit outrage in the choir he’s preaching to rather than to genuinely shed light in dark places. I get enough of the outrage machine with secular news. I don’t need it encroaching on Catholic news and catechesis.
 
I will, without hesitation, defend Michael Voris and his Church Militant media group. He is the type of defender and soldier of the One True Faith of Jesus Christ that we desperately need especially in our time. He doesn’t neglect or soften any doctrine of the Church, he doesn’t care what the flavor of the day is, what your “cup of tea” is, or how unsettling the truth might sound. He is bringing “muscular Catholicism” back to life, and I’m sure when he stands at the gates of Heaven, he will be able to show God how many souls he brought with him.

“All evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics”. - Pope St. Pius V
 
CapitalistCatholic said:
I’ve been watching him a lot lately, and he’s revealed a lot of “dirt” in the Catholic Church. I had no idea things were so bad before watching “The Vortex”.
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Some one above said that no one else is covering these stories that they do. There is another way of seeing this than that things are so bad and Voris so unique. You could look at it like the bravery and uniqueness of those that expose alien abductions, in that, there is another way to see his crusades.
 
Crusader13 said:
It’s just odd how some will accept, at face value, the words or comments of certain clergy
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This begs to be asked, but accept as what? As authoritative? If the authority exists in a certain clergy, then accepting that as authoritative is kind of Catholic. Accept as true? Seldom is there a question of a truth that can be known. This is why Voris is kind of a Rorschach, revealing more about the listener than the person speaking.
 
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