Should women be treated as equals

[Aquinas11]

Radical Feminism was never about solving problems. It was mainly about division and creating problems.

I’d add that Radical Feminism was also about maximizing profits of Big Business. They realized they could reduce wages if they doubled the number of workers. That’s why wages are level for decades despite huge inflation

For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades | Pew Research Center

 

[Aquinas11]

those are well known terms, look them up.

 

[niceatheist]

So let’s clear the air a bit.

Are women allowed to work? Are women in possession of personal autonomy? If women do choose to work, should they demand equal pay for equal work? Are they servants to their husbands, or do they retain personal autonomy when they’re married? Are women, even Catholic women, allowed to disagree with your views on feminism?

 

[Bradskii]

niceatheist:

If women are truly equal as persons, that means they have personal autonomy. I’m not saying that gives them the right to walk out on their children, but it certainly means they have a voice in the family, and when they’re husband, for lack of a better word, is an idiot, then she made need to take control of the family for its own good. I’ve seen that with my own eyes.

I don’t want a wife who just does what she’s told. I want a partner who has free will and the confidence not to cooperate should I choose a foolish path, and has the confidence to say so.

Although the Church’s message to women is not a model of consistency, it is moving in the direction of real equality.

Moving in the right direction? So it’s not there yet.

 

[Aquinas11]

I don’t blame women for acting on bad advice, so we should agree to disagree.

 

[niceatheist]

I don’t blame women for acting on bad advice, so we should agree to disagree.

And bad advice in this case would be not wanting to remain virgins or if married, to be a lower rank than their husbands? Just what is it you think women should be doing in the modern world?

 

[Aquinas11]

bad advice in this case would be

being told to defer having kids until they’re well into their late 30s/40s and then realizing they can’t

you’re free to blame the women for acting on this bad advice, but I choose to blame those giving them the bad advice.

 

[edwest211]

I can add that housing prices were artificially raised in the early 1970s, forcing some married couples into a situation where both had to work.

 

[angel12]

feminists advice - not marry, be promiscuous, pursue a professional career first instead of having kids first when her fertility is peaked, and then at age 40 realize she has a great resume but no family that she desperately wants and her fertility is gone and on top of that she can’t find a husband since all the good ones are either already married or are looking for women in their 20s.

Over-generalize much?

 

[edwest211]

That is where the blame should fall. Radical Feminists and other self-styled reformers hated the so-called traditional family. The National Organization for Women does not care about anything but convincing women to use contraception and abortion. That’s the reality. Are women better off? From their point of view, they are, but the reality is women, like men, can only do so much. Their personal biology demands that certain things get done at certain times. If not, they end up with nothing in their 40s except their job.

Men who are 40 should never be looking for women in their 20s. 30s would be better.

 

[niceatheist]

When men show ambition, work long hours and make sacrifices they’re heroes. When women do it, they’re defying their nature.

 

[TMC]

Moving in the right direction? So it’s not there yet.

No, not in my opinion, but I am not in charge of the Church so it is not for me to say what the Church teaches. I am entitled to my opinion about it, though.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

counters all reasonable people’s ideas of what constitutes the tension between male and female in a modern society

same modern society that normalizes infanticide? use that moral compass at your own peril

Your argument that modern society has problems is valid. You should start a thread and we could discuss it. In the meantime, try to focus on the points being made. Which was that some has said, in all sincerity, that the male in any given partnership is the final decision maker.

You should check with your wife before you reply.

 

[Bradskii]

those are well known terms, look them up.

A common forum get-out-of-jail card. No, I want to know what you mean by saying that equality of outcome is not desirable.

You don’t have to answer. But the wonder of forums is that people can see your refusal to do so and assume you have nothing with which to back up your original comment.

Take some time and come up with an answer or it’ll be assumed you have none.

 

[jlc2k2]

Thank you!

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

Moving in the right direction? So it’s not there yet.

No, not in my opinion, but I am not in charge of the Church so it is not for me to say what the Church teaches. I am entitled to my opinion about it, though.

One of the more honest posts so far. Thanks, TMC.

 

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

bad advice in this case would be

being told to defer having kids until they’re well into their late 30s/40s and then realizing they can’t

you’re free to blame the women for acting on this bad advice, but I choose to blame those giving them the bad advice.

So far as I know, no one has kept secret that fertility in women drops off pretty radically in their thirties. I’m not even clear what you’re advocating. If people haven’t learned about the limits of fertility by the time they’re in the 20s, then that’s a problem with education, not with “radical feminism”.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Sorry, that’s the way it is supposed to be. It is good she got a good laugh though

 

[Bradskii]

Sorry, that’s the way it is supposed to be. It is good she got a good laugh though

No. It’s not. She was laughing at you. She was laughing at your comment. I don’t think that’s good at all. Even when I agree with her. It’s not good. It’s depressing.

 

[Sbee0]

Not really on topic but speaking of radical feminism my popcorn is ready when the GOP nominates a woman for president. We all saw the despicable treatment that Sarah Palin got but that’s nothing compared to what’s coming. Seeing the lefty feminists with the anti-Christian bigots wrinkle their noses and out themselves as complete hypocrites ought to be a hoot!

Perhaps we’ll get a taste of it if and when Trump nominates Judge Amy C Barrett for SCOTUS.