Should women be treated as equals

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Bradskii said:
And here we go again, asking questions of you that will never be answered. But name me some women who hate men if you could.
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But just don’t ask my daughters after I’ve refused to lend them money 🙂
 
niceatheist said:
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Bradskii:
And here we go again, asking questions of you that will never be answered. But name me some women who hate men if you could.
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But just don’t ask my daughters after I’ve refused to lend them money 🙂
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C’mon, nice. I have a daughter. You know what I know…
 
MagdalenaRita said:
No one said being a Catholic woman you couldn’t have a career but that career should not come before your family.
Your husband and children should come first.
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That is pretty old fashioned. Now if you say the same goes for the husband, then I am on board. But somehow, the same statement is not usually made about the husband. Especially when the wife is being discussed.
 
Does the word feminist always mean a Radical Feminist?

Almost every woman I know considers themself a feminist yet none of them hate men, are communists nor want to destroy the traditional family! As a matter of fact, we’re all in a traditional family structure, two are ex military and one of them does hate her ex but still likes men.

What percentage of feminists would agree with the definition of feminists as hating men, commies and families? Less than 1%?
 
In this case, the term “old fashioned” does not apply. If something works it continues to work decades later. In a Catholic wedding ceremony, the priest reminds the couple that marriage “is not meant to be entered into lightly.” A lifelong commitment means both parties nurture the other. It’s Biblical. For those who don’t accept religion, they do marry civilly but the same standard applies.
 
niceatheist said:
We all make mistakes in life. And some women marry foolish men, just as some men marry foolish women. Sometimes two fools marry, and that can be even more unpleasant.
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It is true we all make mistakes in life. As a married couple we are to accept that about each other but who decides if a man is making a foolish decision? The wife, Then does a wife only allow a man to make decisions until she believes he made a foolish one and then she takes over and makes a different decision?
We accept each other’s mistakes, we forgive, we work together and we trust the person we married, we communicate and we trust God.
niceatheist said:
Are women allowed to work? Are women in possession of personal autonomy? I
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The question isn’t, is a woman allowed to work. We all work. What you are really asking is, can she have a separate career and life away from her home and family. Can she be autonomous or independent and married at the same time?

When two people marry, they become one. They are no longer two but one. Yes, they have individual interests and activities, but husband and family comes first, then autonomy.
Yes a woman can work. Many women have to work full time or part time. Many women choose to work part time while still caring for their home.
niceatheist said:
When men show ambition, work long hours and make sacrifices they’re heroes. When women do it, they’re defying their nature.
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A woman at work is not defying nature. Women work and work hard every single day. They work both inside and outside the home.

And women are heroes because of the many sacrifices they make for their family or if they do not have a family and are making sacrifices for their job they are heroes.

A woman defies nature when she chooses in her marriage to close her and her husband off to life.
 
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But that doesn’t mean a woman surrenders her autonomy, her rights as a human being, her ambitions, or her wits.
 
edwest211 said:
In this case, the term “old fashioned” does not apply. If something works it continues to work decades later. In a Catholic wedding ceremony, the priest reminds the couple that marriage “is not meant to be entered into lightly.” A lifelong commitment means both parties nurture the other. It’s Biblical. For those who don’t accept religion, they do marry civilly but the same standard applies.
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I was referring to the concept of a woman putting family first, before career, while a husband does not. I wasn’t referring to any of the other stuff you mentioned.
 
JMMJ said:
That is pretty old fashioned. Now if you say the same goes for the husband, then I am on board. But somehow, the same statement is not usually made about the husband. Especially when the wife is being discussed.
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Titus 2:4 -5 teach the young women to be wise, to love their husbands, to love their children, [[5]] To be discreet, chaste, sober, having a care of the house, gentle, obedient to their husbands

I don’t see a time limit or expiration date on that Bible verse.

The same absolutely goes for the husband. He should be working for his wife, family and home first, not his own independent autonomy.

It is typically women who are demanding autonomy, which is why it is usually focused on the wife.
 
If a woman thinks she needs personal autonomy then she needs to mention it to the man before the wedding, and they can take it from there.

Her rights, and the man’s rights, are both limited in the Catholic perspective. There are standards.

I have seen situations where the man works and when he comes home, she goes to work. Both care for their baby.

As far as wits, there are dull-witted men and women. I don’t see what you’re saying. I know very witty men and women. And remarkably insightful men and women.
 
misstherese said:
I don’t know tuition costs in the UK
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Each constituent country of the UK sets its own fees, but in England it’s currently £9,250 p.a., which is about $11,800. Undergraduate courses are typically three or four years in duration (longer for medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, architecture, and some other courses).

In general, I think you are right that a lot of young people go to university when their interests could in fact be better served by going straight into a job. I think it has a lot to do with the quality of the university and the academic rigour of the course. If somebody is going to go to the University of East London (consistently ranked among the very worst universities in the UK) to study for a degree in something that isn’t even a genuine academic discipline, such as event management or fashion marketing, I agree that they would probably be better off actually just getting a job in event management or fashion marketing and not getting into a debt of some £80,000 for a qualification that is probably more or less worthless. In fact, you can bet that the best people in event management or fashion marketing almost certainly got into their field without having trained for the job on a degree course.

On the other hand, there are a lot of jobs for which an academically rigorous degree (such as history, classics, or philosophy) from a good university (such as Oxford or Cambridge) is either a prerequisite or an advantage. Somebody who at the age of 18 goes to Oxford or Cambridge, or perhaps UCL or the LSE, to read for a degree in modern languages or geography, for example, will probably go on to succeed in a field such as politics, the civil service, diplomacy, intelligence, security, the armed forces, the police, teaching, journalism, publishing, management, management consultancy, strategy consultancy, etc. Their degree is therefore highly likely to be an advantage to them even if not directly related to a specific career such as law or medicine.
misstherese said:
We can learn about art, history, philosophy, any time we want from anyone we want. All the informations right there
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The internet is unlikely to provide the kind of balanced and rigorous education that one receives at university. The internet will not design a curriculum, set essay titles, provide reading lists, offer a mixture of lectures, classes, and tutorials, provide feedback on essays, set and mark exams, arrange field trips, and so on.
misstherese said:
rather than one professor who most likely is a Marxist
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I have never heard of a university degree course that is taught entirely by one person. I have also never knowingly met a university professor who is a Marxist.
 
Edgar said:
Feminsim hates women, because feminsim hates motherhood. Feminism preaches that motherhood is an impediment to women becoming “fulfilled” - ie, women can only be fulfilled if they become more like men. Feminism is grossly unnatural, deadly, satanic madness masquerading as equality.
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Whence are you getting the idea that feminism hates motherhood and regards motherhood as an obstacle to personal fulfilment? And whence are you getting the idea that feminists want women to become more like men? A very large proportion of women who identify as feminists are also wives and mothers (a very large proportion of men who identify as feminists also have wives and children). Most women who have children will tell you that it is the most fulfilling thing that they have done, and that includes feminists. And I think you are barking up completely the wrong tree if you think that feminism is about women becoming more like men. On the contrary, a lot of what feminists say is about recognising differences between women and men.
 
Londoner said:
The internet is unlikely to provide the kind of balanced and rigorous education that one receives at university. The internet will not design a curriculum, set essay titles, provide reading lists, offer a mixture of lectures, classes, and tutorials, provide feedback on essays, set and mark exams, arrange field trips, and so on.
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I meant just in terms of strictly learning. That doesn’t mean the person is entirely qualified for a certain job, but the internet is very useful in terms of just learning from various sources. Also, you can find a lot of books online, even text books. It’s really one of the most amazing inventions of this century if you think about it.
Londoner said:
I have never heard of a university degree course that is taught entirely by one person. I have also never knowingly met a university professor who is a Marxist.
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I didn’t say universities have one professor…and statistics show universities are becoming increasingly liberal. Many professors I know of do hold socialist views.
 
Edgar said:
…one of the most devastating contraceptives ever invented - a university degree.

Feminism is grossly unnatural, deadly, satanic madness masquerading as equality.
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A little dramatic, don’t you think? 😳
 
That is fairly thin evidence. You are citing one conservative think tank citing research by another conservative think tank that found that 18 percent of academics in one academic field in one country identify as Marxists. Furthermore, social science, the one field surveyed, is by far the field most likely to be influenced by Marxism. I’d be more interested to see research by politically neutral researchers surveying academics across all disciplines and across universities throughout the whole of the English-speaking world. Also, they need a more precise definition of Marxism, rather than just relying on self-identification.
 
Pattylt said:
What percentage of feminists would agree with the definition of feminists as hating men, commies and families? Less than 1%?
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Take the UK, that’s a pretty good sample of Western Culture

74% of women favor gender equality
yet only 9% of women consider themselves feminists

Reason is that women have realized feminism and gender equality have become different things entirely

www.telegraph.co.uk

Only 7 per cent of Britons consider themselves feminists

More than two thirds of Britons support gender equality – but just seven per cent would call themselves feminists.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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