Should women be treated as equals

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Too many are living by the dictate of their genitals. Opportunities, yes. Good opportunities? I don’t see it. When people are reduced to having their value based mostly on their lifetime earning potential and are lucky to have one day off, that is less than optimal.
 
edwest211 said:
You should broaden your perspective. First, I heard the non-debate regarding no-fault divorce. It was all about one or the other spouse hiding assets, finding those assets and lots of money spent on attorneys. It was designed for wealthy, not average people. I recall a TV show where a sheriff was watching a man with a bulldozer tear down ‘his half’ of the house that he owned after divorce. Her attorney arrived and tried to convince the sheriff that what the man was doing was wrong. The sheriff said what he was doing was lawful. Then the quick-thinking attorney pointed out that there was no trailer visible for the bulldozer. Having no trailer was against the law.

Respectfully, your defensive attitude is puzzling. No one is “forcing” anyone to do anything. In the past, a father told his daughter who was about to get married that she could change her mind at any time, up to and including the day of the wedding. Force? No.

And if divorce occurred, who was there to help her? Radical feminists?
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It’s like your memory of the past is based on half-remembered movies, TV shows and anecdotes.
 
She had a lace business!!! Gasp!
(Sarcasm)

Yet we have traditionalists on this forum suggesting it is sinful for a woman to work aside from child rearing and that a man should take on a second job, and never see his kids, before allowing her to work…
 
Well said. I have a degree in history. I am a successful professional in an unrelated field. Yet I don’t regret earning that degree.
 
You can be funny. I have all the documentation I need to show the past, that I lived through, was as I described.
 
JoeShlabotnik said:
It was a movie. Don’t be afraid.
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I’m not afraid and I realize it is just a movie. I trust God but I also have concern for the Church and for souls, including those in my own family, who may be influenced by Hollywood lies since Hollywood is one of the greatest influences in our country.

Following a lie can put one’s soul in danger.

God bless
 
edwest211 said:
radical feminism
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I don’t know if it’s possible to have a conversation with you about feminism because you usually (always?) refer specifically to radical feminism and I don’t think I can ever be certain what you are imagining or referring to. If the subject is just feminism you are moving the goalposts by inserting “radical.” Most people here aren’t talking about “radical” feminism.

And when posters have given you examples of how the 50s were less ideal than you imagine I don’t recall if you have ever acknowledged that the 50s weren’t that great for marginalized people. Did you consider my post you are replying to? That was the 40s and 50s. A lot was going on that was hidden or ignored.
 
edwest211 said:
You can be funny. I have all the documentation I need to show the past, that I lived through, was as I described.
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I think history was considerably more nuanced than you propose it to be, and frankly, a lot of your documentation seems to be from fellow travelers, so i’m going to see that neither you nor your sources are unbiased. I know my family’s history, and it diverges on a number of points from your Leave It To Beaver claims.
 
Yes. That warning needs to repeated often. At one time, the newspapers would publish beautiful editorials about Christmas and extol virtue. Today, the media is the exact opposite. Hollywood produces anti-heroes and anti-family movies.
 
I’ve studied the time period you mention in depth. I have seen posts here that claim the 1950s never actually happened - as described. I have also seen systemic bias. Working as a researcher, I am expected to find real information that is unbiased, unfiltered and without an agenda. A lot of practice has allowed me to be good at it.
 
edwest211 said:
Yes. That warning needs to repeated often. At one time, the newspapers would publish beautiful editorials about Christmas and extol virtue. Today, the media is the exact opposite. Hollywood produces anti-heroes and anti-family movies.
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Anti-heroes have been a feature of cinema for a very long time. I think you could go back to Film Noir, with its origins in the 1940s (and early in literature, with the likes of Raymond Chandler) to see the genesis of the anti-hero. Essentially, just about every character Humphrey Bogart played was to one degree or another an anti-hero.

Again, history is far more complex than your two dimensional view of it.
 
edwest211 said:
I’ve studied the time period you mention in depth. I have seen posts here that claim the 1950s never actually happened - as described. I have also seen systemic bias. Working as a researcher, I am expected to find real information that is unbiased, unfiltered and without an agenda. A lot of practice has allowed me to be good at it.
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You keep falling back on your qualifications, except I see little evidence of said qualifications. The 1950s were not a panacea. They weren’t a panacea for minorities, they weren’t a panacea even for the middle class. It was the relative peace and prosperity of the post-war period, not unlike the 1920s. Of course both eras were brought to a screeching halt by significant economic and social change.
 
Now you are being funny. I have contacts in Hollywood. I understand storytelling. As part of my job, I monitor so-called pop culture 5 days a week. I have to digest this information and present it to my employer. Both of us are highly knowledgeable about film genres.

The current rot in comic books, TV and movies is the worst I’ve ever seen. Had the Catholic Church not stepped in in the 1930s, I cringe about what Hollywood might have done regarding public morals. The Catholic Legion of Decency, later, National Legion of Decency, was formed to combat the perverted mess Hollywood had become.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
And when posters have given you examples of how the 50s were less ideal than you imagine I don’t recall if you have ever acknowledged that the 50s weren’t that great for marginalized people.
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100% correct. Modernism was already in full swing in 1950s. Hence why Pope Pius X issued his Encyclical on Modernists in 1907. So I agree 1950s sucked. Try 1250s, before Reformation and Enlightenment movements of rebellion against Church and all objective moral authority, which just has continued to very slowly pick up steam like a locomotive and is now going full speed off the tracks.
 
niceatheist said:
Anti-heroes have been a feature of cinema for a very long time. I think you could go back to Film Noir, with its origins in the 1940s (and early in literature, with the likes of Raymond Chandler) to see the genesis of the anti-hero. Essentially, just about every character Humphrey Bogart played was to one degree or another an anti-hero.
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True but there used to be greater restrictions on movies. Anti-heroes always had to punished. Evil had to be seen for just what it was. It used to be people were concerned for the movie industries influence on youth.

See Hayes Code 1930
 
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edwest211 said:
I’ve studied the time period you mention in depth. I have seen posts here that claim the 1950s never actually happened - as described.
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Those who are determined to live in the past are condemned to insist that we do as well.

Apologies to George Santayana. Go research him, Ed
 
Very true. After restrictions were put in place, Hollywood was very afraid. It used phrases like “Will it play in Peoria?” This in reference to a particular place in the hearts and minds of most Americans. If a film was judged not worthy of Peoria, it was cut. And some films only played in “art houses,” a euphemism for perverse and disgusting films.
 
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