Should women be treated as equals

[Lea101]

And what were those advances? Three examples if you don’t mind.

We gave you more than three examples in this whole conversation. Which you ignored and gave non answers I response. Scroll up

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Not seeing it. Seems like it is has been a pretty detailed conversation.

 

[Bradskii]

Not seeing it. Seems like it is has been a pretty detailed conversation.

Not seeing what? This is indeed a detailed conversation.

If you don’t use the quote function, then how is anyone going to know that to which you are responding.

Is it too difficult?

 

[Ebastill]

Yes, but the Church doesn’t condone clericalism. Priests are not superior to lay people, and men are not superior to women.

 

[jlc2k2]

You know, some of us can have more babies because we have jobs that help pay for them - for their shelter, food, and clothes.

 

[Lea101]

Not if women do it en masse . Check out what happening in Japan - it’s heading for extinction - fast. Women there simply aren’t having enough babies.

Hmmm, let me think … what’s more important - women having careers or women having babies?

? Whatever God calls them to. Forcing women to have kids, or stripping away their freedom to choose if they want to work is barbaric. All we can do is make it easier for working women to be able to have kids, and promote motherhood/fatherhood. A focus on mental health is also necessary (Japan especially).

But after ten years of “having it all” - two children and a career (teacher) - she suffered a complete physical and mental breakdown. She was reduced to skin’n’bone and her hair was falling out - took her two years of rest to recover.

You would be very silly to think it’s plain old feminism and not other factors that led her to have such an unfortunate breakdown. Many of my teachers, doctors, nurses etc have kids and are doing fine mentally, because they don’t neglect health.

My cousin married a career woman (psychologist). He now lives and works in one town and his wife lives and works in another town, a hundred miles away. He sees his wife and two kids only on weekends - the rest of the time he lives alone. His wife refuses to give up her job, which is why she lives in a different town. They’re married, but only part-time. If their “marriage” ends in divorce, no one should be surprised.

This isn’t the typical arrangement of a dual income household. Why didn’t he move in with her? We can flip it around and make him look like the selfish one as well.

My best friend was happily married until his wife (urged on by her rabid-feminist mother) took a course in “women’s assertiveness”, after which all the arguments started about his place as the head of the family. They eventually divorced.

Same with this. We can always flip it and blame the man. What were those arguments? Why was she so unhappy with him leading? Did she feel like she wasn’t respected? And so on.

It’s almost like relationships and family breakdowns are more complex than some ideology seeping in. You can blame it all on an ideology, I see different factors going on including the individual’s selfishness.

 

[Glark]

How to create millions of enemies for the Catholic Church:

1. Convince millions of people that any form of gender inequality (eg, a male-only priesthood) is evil.
2. Convince millions of people that “patriarchy” (eg, a male-only priesthood) is evil.

 

[Glark]

There’s an Aussie programme called Q and A

It’s creepy … a one-sided talk-fest for the worse secularism and the Loony Left have offer. In other words, typical ABC poison (and a shameful waste of taxpayers’ money).

 

[Glark]

One thing that helped convince me that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church was her rejection of feminism - ie, the INFALLIBLE DECLARATION that only men could become priests

 

[sainteriksrose]

The highest ranking of all God’s creation in the Kingdom of Heaven is a woman…

And Jesus chose only men to be His Apostles, ergo it’s a man’s job/privilege, as being a mother is a woman’s.

 

[Bradskii]

How to create millions of enemies for the Catholic Church:

I think that treating women as second class citizens is a great way to start. One could suggest, for example, that a university education is a bad thing.

If I wanted to actively harm the church (I don’t) I would ensure that as many people as possible knew about these views that (some) Catholics hold. But then you don’t need me to do it. You’re doing a great job on your own.

 

[Sarcelle]

Hmmm, let me think … what’s more important - women having careers or women having babies?

Women still experience a lot of discrimination in Japan so it’s not like most of them are busy climbing the career ladder. So I don’t think the career aspirations of women are to blame.

Maybe you’re too young to remember what happened in Romania. Women were forced by the government to have at least four children. Those who did not were fined. The result, a lot of children dumped into orphanages.

The Church has never made motherhood into a mandatory role for all women.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Some people shouldn’t have children. Many were abused and don’t have the wherewithal to learn how to parent; others don’t want to risk ever hurting a child because they are think it’s an inheritable trait. (It isn’t but rooting out that learned scriot can be complex.) When people criticize people who are “child-free” for being selfish are they suggesting that selfish people make good parents?

 

[Sarcelle]

They probably think that parenthood can cure selfishness automatically.

People who are selfish and have no intentions of changing will not become selfless once they become parents.

Also there are ways that people can become less selfish and it does not require parenthood.

Narcissistic sociopaths become parents all the time. They did not turn into saints as any child of a narcissistic sociopathic parent can attest to that.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

When people criticize people who are “child-free” for being selfish are they suggesting that selfish people make good parents?

They probably think that parenthood can cure selfishness automatically.

People who are selfish and have no intentions of changing will not become selfless once they become parents.

If we all waited until we were selfless people or were saints no one would be able to become a parent.

While parenting won’t necessarily make any one a saint, it is one thing that can draw you very close to God and change your perspective on life rather quickly. It is amazing how you suddenly stop thinking of your own self.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

While parenting won’t necessarily make any one a saint, it is one thing that can draw you very close to God and change your perspective on life rather quickly at times.

It can. But it’s not a certainty. And some people are self aware enough to not have children. Too many children have suffered due to a selfish parent and it gets perpetuated when adults thoughtlessly have children.

 

[Sarcelle]

Did I say that people will have to wait to become perfect to become parents? I was merely saying that parenthood is not the silver bullet that will automatically cure selfishness.

Parenthood can help you grow in saintliness but it not the only way.

I was objecting to the fact that people accuse others who don’t have children as being selfish. Too often the ones doing the accusing are total strangers.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

And some people are self aware enough to not have children. Too many children have suffered due to a selfish parent and it gets perpetuated when adults thoughtlessly have children.

So, I am not sure how that would work out as a Catholic marrying in the Catholic church and are required to be open to life. I realize that there are many Catholics who choose not to have children but that is going against the Church.

 

[Sarcelle]

Even those Catholics who choose not to have children because of health problems and practice NFP?

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Even those Catholics who choose not to have children because of health problems and practice NFP?

I guess I would say there is a difference in using NFP for heath problems versus using it because a person feels they are a selfish person and so shouldn’t have children. As people mature and grow in their relationship with Christ hopefully a lot of selfishness is lost.