Should women be treated as equals

[Aquinas11]

looking a a variety of jobs, especially nurses and others who are pulling double shifts.

how is that relevant to a doubling of workers causing a reduction of wages (hourly rate)? I’m all ears.

 

[edwest211]

That was the problem starting in the early 1970s. Artificially raising prices for housing. Using “Credit Default Swaps” and having people artificially raising housing prices again + giving mortgages to anyone with a pulse, created the planned global collapse in 2008. Those on Wall Street only got half their usual Christmas bonus.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Couple of reasons why
(1) Cost of college

(2) Feminism :

This was all very well put.

 

[Bradskii]

when you double the number of workers, you halve their value, yes. That’s simple economics supply and demand

So women joining the work force halved the wages of men? Yep, you definately didn’t do economics. Are you making this stuff up as you go along or can you humour us with some facts and figures.

 

[Aquinas11]

So women joining the work force halved the wages of men? Yep,

I’m glad we at least agree on something

humour us with some facts and figures

humour you with facts and figures that doubling the supply of something decreases its value? Might I suggest googling “Law of Supply and Demand”

Let me give you another simple example if it helps

Let’s suppose there is 1000 Diamonds found on Earth and they’re all worth $5000 each

Tomorrow someone finds 1000 more identical Diamonds…what is each diamond now worth? That’s right…$2500…now how did we get that?

 

[Bradskii]

That was the problem starting in the early 1970s. Artificially raising prices for housing. Using “Credit Default Swaps” and having people artificially raising housing prices again + giving mortgages to anyone with a pulse, created the planned global collapse in 2008. Those on Wall Street only got half their usual Christmas bonus.

Durn. When I was listing your conspiracy theories I didn’t think to include the GFC.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

So women joining the work force halved the wages of men? Yep,

I’m glad we at least agree on something

So you were making it up. It was a pretty nonsensical thing to say in any case, so it was pretty obvious.

 

[Aquinas11]

It contradicts your narrative, hence the emotional outburst. But its grounded in Law of Supply and Demand. The same Law that explains why fruit is cheaper when in season. That’s what you’re arguing against.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

So women joining the work force halved the wages of men? Yep,

I’m glad we at least agree on something

humour us with some facts and figures

humour you with facts and figures that doubling the supply of something decreases its value? Might I suggest googling “Law of Supply and Demand”

Let me give you another simple example if it helps

Let’s suppose there is 1000 Diamonds found on Earth and they’re all worth $5000 each

Tomorrow someone finds 1000 more identical Diamonds…what is each diamond now worth? That’s right…$2500…now how did we get that?

Forget diamonds. You specifically agreed to the nonsensical proposal that women joining the work force halved the wages for both men and women.

Let me have some figures on that when you are ready, or diamonds or no diamonds, it will ne obvious that you made that up. Or double down if you like. We have plenty of time.

 

[Bradskii]

It contradicts your narrative, hence the emotional outburst. But its grounded in Law of Supply and Demand.

Must be easy to show with some actual wages figures then. When you’re ready…

 

[Aquinas11]

You specifically agreed to the nonsensical proposal that women joining the work force halved the wages for both men and women.

You would have the burden to supply facts and figures that doubling something does not halve its value, since that is the Law of Supply and Demand. I didn’t realize the Law of Supply and Demand was done away with. When you’re ready please cite a source that Law of Supply and Demand is no more.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I see a need for more workers in some areas. And CEO’s profits going up with out the company’s profits benefitting employees isn’t feminism’s fault. Sounds like a man started that.

Should a local company stop growing so only men work there? Half the work wouldn’t get done. And a man working in the parts department isn’t likely able to do the job of a BA or IT specialist. Some jobs are done remotely because that employee doesn’t want to move here. We’re lucky to have local people who are capable, including women.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

You specifically agreed to the nonsensical proposal that women joining the work force halved the wages for both men and women.

You would have the burden to supply facts and figures that doubling something does not halve its value, since that is the Law of Supply and Demand. I didn’t realize the Law of Supply and Demand was done away with. When you’re ready please cite a source that Law of Supply and Demand is no more.

Gee, no examples. Not a single one. You know why? There aren’t any. It was a statement that you made up. Maybe because you don’t know the difference between the law of supply and demand and wages theory.

Which I don’t expect you to because you definitely didn’t do economics. Can’t help that. But if you make stuff up despite that lack of knowledge, you’ll get called on it.

 

[Aquinas11]

And CEO’s profits going up with out the company’s profits benefitting employees isn’t feminism’s fault. Sounds like a man started that.

if the man is a CEO, then he’s using feminism to increase his profit, so why be his puppet?

Should a local company stop growing so only men work there? Half the work wouldn’t get done

No, wages will go up since number of workers go down and they’ll hire more so that work does get done

And a man working in the parts department isn’t likely able to do the job of a BA or IT specialist.

IF there are too many people to fill the parts jobs, then those people will naturally get IT or BA training to fill those jobs. Free market takes care of it

Some jobs are done remotely because that employee doesn’t want to move here. We’re lucky to have local people who are capable, including women.

I don’t think remote v local changes the dynamics of this at all.

 

[Bradskii]

No, wages will go up since number of workers go down and they’ll hire more so that work does get done

Wages are a function of profitability. They are likely to increase if profitability rises.The number of workers are a function of productivity. They expand to fill the requirement of increased productivity and are likely to decrease when productivity falls.

Nobody takes on more workers to produce the same amount. If more workers are added to the payroll then it is a means to increase productivity.

If profitabilty remains the same, then so will wages. If profitability rises then wages are likely to rise.

No business on the planet takes on more people in order to decrease profitability. Which is the only way for wages to drop when the work force increases.

As I said, you haven’t done economics. But this is pretty much common sense.

 

[Aquinas11]

Wages are a function of profitability

In this example, wages are a function of supply and in this example supply is going down since half the workers are going home to raise kids. I know you reject Law of Supply and Demand which is fundamental to Economics so you disagree.

Nobody takes on more workers to produce the same amount

No business on the planet takes on more people

Not “taking on more workers”, its replacing half the workers who choose to be at home parents.

Let’s give you a simple example. Maybe that will help understand it. 100 employees at company. 50 men and 50 women. The 50 women decide to go home and raise a family. Now the company needs to hire 50 more workers. Make sense? See? Not “taking on more” workers since wont have > 100 workers which is what you thought, they’re replacing workers.

 

[Lea101]

Rich oligarchs realized they could double their profits if they doubled the number of workers, since then they could cut slash wages (supply and demand).

This would be an oversimplification, especially given our rapid technological advancements. The demand didn’t stay the same, while the supply increased. Demand was rapidly increasing as well.

Solution is realizing that men and women share different but equal functions in the family. Just because each gender has a different role, doesn’t mean they’re not equal. Its like a football team, where the goalie and the forward have different roles, but they’re not unequal. The goalie is needed to defend the goal. The forward is needed to score goals. Both are equal, even though they play different roles. However, if the goalie leaves the net to join the forward because he doesn’t feel “equal” unless he’s a forward, now you have 2 forwards but a defenseless goal so will lose because the other team will score. Such is the 21th century family. Both genders somehow think they must be doing the same thing or else they’re not “equal” which is delusional, meanwhile the family is losing over and over again and will continue to until both genders realize they are desperately needed to play their role for the family to survive.

Don’t understand this whole chunk here. Because so what? Why can’t men and women both be accountants? Doctors? Teachers?

The Church allows and support women working (see JPII). A dual income household doesn’t lose complementarity unless your definition of it is so shallow (one person working, one person cooking and cleaning)

 

[edwest211]

Rapid technological advancements are not the issue.

 

[catholicray]

My stance is men and women are equal but different. We are equally human and that means we should equally respect the dignity of both genders. However we are different there is no question about it.

Is the Son equal to the Father? Their nature is equal but their relationship to one another is different. Our society promotes competition between the genders but both genders will thrive only when their relationship to each other is sacrificial.

 

[edwest211]

That is the missing part. Without cooperation and sacrificial love, nothing good will come from relationships at a distance that do not resolve problems in order to create a more loving relationship. By going into a relationship and thinking I can jettison this at any time reveals the complete lack of a desire to create trust, which is essential to any relationship.