Should women be treated as equals

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Iron Angel created by the guy who came up with Thanos? Sorry to hear it.

I lived in the real neverland.
 
niceatheist said:
Yes, total strangers
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angel12 said:
Of course we’re going to do what any random stranger tells us to do. Because we’re just too stupid to think it out and make our own decisions.
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It wasn’t “random” strangers but strangers whose ideas women allowed to enter into their family lives.
Women such Betty Friedan (just an unhappy woman from Peoria Illinois), Helen Girly Brown, (changed Cosmopolitan magazine from a simple woman’s magazine to what it is today) Gloria Stienam, and Hollywood figures such as: Alan Alda and Marlo Thomas. There are definitely more.

https://www.womenofgrace.com/en-us/search/default.aspx?q=sue ellen browder&type=0#s_1470_1

Sue Ellen Browder was a part of the feminist lies fed to women in the past. Her story and conversion is very interesting.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
Maybe we should speak out louder and let women know it is okay not to go to college and it is okay not to work full time and put your children in day care. Maybe we could start telling women that the huge home really won’t matter in the end but it is what you do in love and for Christ that will matter.
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I agree completely. To the extent people imply to young women that if they choose to be stay at home moms, they’re wasting their lives…yeah, that’s wrong. No argument. But it’s equally wrong to imply (as many do on CAF) that women who choose to work outside the home do so because they’re indifferent mothers, or “modernists”, or materialistic, or robots brainwashed by feminists.

Really, we should all give great deference to the individual decisions parents make in working out what’s best for their individual families instead of trying to push some “one size fits all” model.
 
A functioning society requires rules, not ‘do whatever you want.’ That applies to men and women.
 
So, ‘my family my way’ or what works for society as a whole? If families, and heads of families, want to be islands, they can, but that will hinder community formation and hinder the greater social good. Reinventing anything like the family is usually a bad idea. The family was not invented 50 years ago, and what works works. Instead, some seem to think it can be tinkered with. It can’t.
 
It is important for a woman to be able to support herself and her kids, should her husband die an early death (or walk out on her). There are no guarantees in this life, and providing for kids is an awesome responsibility.

Education of woman is just as important as men, if for no other reason than this.
 
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It wasn’t “random” strangers but strangers whose ideas women allowed to enter into their family lives.
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As far as telling me what to do with my life, they certainly are random strangers. Sorry to see you joining Ed in insulting women and claiming we can’t think for ourselves.
 
angel12 said:
Sorry to see you joining Ed in insulting women and claiming we can’t think for ourselves.
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I’ve been in the conversation and I do not believe he is saying we can not think for ourselves but that we were infuenced, which we were.
 
I assume it’s me for implying that individual families should be able to deviate in good conscience from the 1950s Leave it to Beaver model of a stay at home mom, a dad who inexplicably never takes off his suit, and 2.5 kids. Clearly I was arguing for complete Caligula style anarchy. :roll_eyes:
 
Ed, let me tell you about a couple i know for whom the “standard model” didn’t work. I may have mentioned this before, so apologies if I’m repeating myself.

This couple met a little later in life: he was in his late thirties, she was in her late twenties. He was finishing out 20 years in the Marine Corps and looking forward to his pension. She was in her last year of medical school. When they got married, she was a resident working long hours and making peanuts. Even though he wanted to just work a low stress job, they mutually made the decision that he would keep working and be the primary breadwinner while she was in residency. When she finished residency and started making a healthy salary as a physician, he quit his high stress job and more or less became a stay at home dad to their son. He still works here and there, but between his pension and her salary, they’re more than comfortable. His primary job is parenting.

Now, is that the standard model? No. But no one would call him lazy: twenty years in the Marines is not for guys afraid of breaking a sweat. And she’s a wonderful mother, who also has a career.

What’s so wrong with that? Would it work for everyone? No. But it works for them and their family, and they as individuals made that determination together, taking into account their individual circumstances. Should we wag our fingers at them and tell them that she needs to quit her job and stay home? Why?

Incidentally, both these people are quite conservative Christians, so it’s not like they’re militant leftists out to destroy the nuclear family.
 
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I like the sound of those guys I think they’ve got things figured out
 
So Ed, seems like you and Saint JPII disagree about women in the workplace.
 
Lots of women in my part of the world juggle both family and thriving careers very well here.

Women have every rights to study as much as they want and it will not change.

Thank you very much,
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No where do couples who run their own business together fit in the narrative?

My grandparents ran their own mom and pop grocery store.

They ran it together and the kids who were in school helped out after school and the kids too young to go to school went with mom and dad to the store.

I remember helping out alongside my grandparents, parents, aunts, uncles and cousins in the family business.
 
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