Should Women Wear Veils In Church

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A “grass roots movement” sounds very political to me.
OK, sorry for using that term. 🤷 How about an organic movement? A home-grown movement? A movement among women, that doesn’t necessarily have a leader or an agenda other than to say it’s “OK” to cover our heads in church should we feel called to do so?
 
Frankly, I really doubt that anyone in my church would be agaisnt headcovering for those that wanted to wear them

I just don’t want someone elses idea of holiness pushed down my throat, and I think a lot of woman feel this way

If you think you are pleasing God by covering your head go for it!

I just don’t feel it is of any use for me
 
OK, sorry for using that term. 🤷 How about an organic movement? A home-grown movement? A movement among women, that doesn’t necessarily have a leader or an agenda other than to say it’s “OK” to cover our heads in church should we feel called to do so?
This is the very circumstance that exists right now!
 
Well apparently the Pope doesn’t think that it is necessary, I don’t know how you got around that
 
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catherina:
Yes, no: it’s one own decision. I’m of an age where girls and women did not make simple visits to Church or chapel if they had no scarf, veil, mantilla or hat handy. Men and boys went right on in without any special garments
Didn’t the men uncover their heads? This whole statement sounds like something a “liberal Catholic” would say.
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SFD:
Has anyone checked The Textural Concordance of The Holy Scriptures for a clue as to why the Church requires a head covering for women?
Or don’t you care?

SFD
 
Didn’t the men uncover their heads? This whole statement sounds like something a “liberal Catholic” would say.

SFD
The two or three months a year when men and boys wore hats (for protection from weather) I’m sure they took off their hats. The females were stuck with no choice to enter and pray if they happened to be without a hat or scarf.

If you have a need to view this through some invented liberal-conservative slant … whatever.
I was speaking if occurances relevant to ordinary common sense.

Thanks for the judgment, (I guess).
 
Interesting question. . .but right now all we can give is opinions. Right now the ‘official’ position seems to be that we can if we choose to, that it is not only ‘all right’ but praiseworthy if we do, but we do not ‘have to.’

The only thing that I see as the difference between ‘you can if you want to but you don’t have to’ is this. . .

For a long long time, it was considered not only right, but proper. Not from being yet another oppressive thing that men do to women, or yet another example of women being lesser creatures, which is what some (not all) of the ‘opponents’ seem to think was the ‘reason’ for the custom.

Even now, because of that custom 's long standing and because nothing was said to indicate that the ‘rationale’ for the custom was flawed or superseded. . .it is still a ‘praiseworthy’ and pious custom.

OTOH, the ‘not wearing’ of a covering is something that we ‘can do if we wish.’ It is not a tradition. It does not really have reason for its existence, so to speak. . .because the ‘strawman’ type of argument that veiling was sexist, for example, is just that–a straw man.

While no one is wrong for this choice it does not necessarily mean that it should be the preferred choice . .and we can speculate all we want as to whether the choice was offered, as has been stated in several rather neutral sources, that since women had already STOPPED wearing the veil, that making veiling ‘optional’ would keep these disobedient people from being ‘disobedient’. It is not a good argument, and one must consider the context of the times, and exactly what was, or wasn’t, said by the people arguing for this action, not to mention what was going on in arguably more ‘important’ areas (the Pope’s assassination attempt, the Communism crises, etc., the sex abuses and the need to consult medical experts, etc.)

Further, we need to remember that this discipline may indeed be reinstated.

That being the case:
A. That the custom is longstanding and pious and is still understood to be so.
B. That the change came about in ways in which the arguments for were at the least questionable, and the situation of disobedience BEFORE the decision had an impact on the decision itself.
C. The confusing cultural situation of the times.
D. The decision may be ‘reversed’ at any time.

We had better not get too comfortable with ourselves if we have chosen ‘not’ to wear the veil–because things may change.

I’m not making judgments and I’m not casting aspersions on any individuals. I am sure that most people consider they have good and sufficient reason for the decision they made. I myself do not currently wear a veil but I am seriously considering doing so, based on study of the question and extensive thought and prayer. Still, I** am not criticizing any woman who, so long as the situation is as it is, does not wear a veil.**

What I am saying is that if or when Rome says, “Women, we have considered well and the pious and longstanding tradition of veiling yourselves at Mass is to be reinstituted as of > > >”. . .let’s not let ourselves be buffaloed into rejecting Rome because, “For the last 40 years I’ve refused to wear that symbol of male oppression and I’ll be d–ned if I wear it again”. Let’s be careful.
 
For you sticklers out there.

My friends and I have flirted with this issue for some time, thanks to the example of some very holy women. I know many holy women who do not veil, and take communion in the hand. I feel the need for it because of my sinfulness in the past, and the humility it brings me. It is a mortification, of sorts. This is how it was explained to me. Also, the presence of the holy angels and of the Lord at Mass and Adoration.

Certain sanctimonious types should not give their opinions because it has the effect of coming across as such. This is why the Church should speak up about these things. **Well, I can’t help it if the authorities have no back bone. ** Yes, it is a holy and pious thing to do.

That being said. I look like a fool in a veil. I look like a fool in a bandana. I cannot find the right hat to wear. The best I can do is a scarf tied on like a head band. Different colors to go with what I am wearing. My kids (who said to me at one time “Mom why aren’t you wearing a veil?”) tell me I look like I’m from the 60’s. Well, I can live with that. So, perhaps one can grow into a veil via scarf or hat.

Is that adequate? Or does it have to be a lace veil? How far must I go to get the job done?
Just an observation. If you’re striving for humility I don’t think the above statement works for you. 😉
 
I really don’t think there is an “anti-headcovering crowd,” however it’s clear that some wish all women to cover their heads as a way to appear more reverent. I dispute the notion that headcovering necessarily equates to reverence. Simple as that.
Exactly. 👍 But then if it makes the person wearing it feel that way…go for it.
 
Exactly. 👍 But then if it makes the person wearing it feel that way…go for it.
Yes. Indeed.

In relation to another post (not yours), I’ll say this. I don’t recall a single poster objecting to headcoverings based in ‘theories of sexism.’ On the contrary. I can give glory and praise to God (and do) that a custom that forbade women from making spontaneous visits of prayer and reflection before the Blessed Sacramentt - only because they were “hatless” - has fallen into dis-use. Blessed be God for His loving kindness to all.

Has formality (perhaps) been lessened. Perhaps.
Has visiting the Blessed Sacrament increased. For some, YES.
 
Exactly. 👍 But then if it makes the person wearing it feel that way…go for it.
This attitude is so lacking in even the most basic charity. It assumes the worst about people. Why assume that the woman with the covered head is doing this only because she wants to feel like she’s more reverent than everyone else? Honestly, it is hurtful to read this kind of thing here on Catholic Answers of all places. It is a simple personal devotion. Why impugn the motives of women who make the choice to do this?
 
What I am saying is that if or when Rome says, “Women, we have considered well and the pious and longstanding tradition of veiling yourselves at Mass is to be reinstituted as of > > >”. . .let’s not let ourselves be buffaloed into rejecting Rome because, “For the last 40 years I’ve refused to wear that symbol of male oppression and I’ll be d–ned if I wear it again”. Let’s be careful.
Personally, I know no Catholic woman who would say or do that.
 
This attitude is so lacking in even the most basic charity. It assumes the worst about people. Why assume that the woman with the covered head is doing this only because she wants to feel like she’s more reverent than everyone else? Honestly, it is hurtful to read this kind of thing here on Catholic Answers of all places. It is a simple personal devotion. Why impugn the motives of women who make the choice to do this?
Whoa! You completely misunderstood me. *I meant *if it makes a woman feel more reverent and humbled then she should just go for it and not worry whether someone else is or not.

I am editing this because I just reread the post I was responding to when I made the statement that upset you. It was a little confusing when I responded so I can see where you thought I meant something else. 😊
 
This attitude is so lacking in even the most basic charity. It assumes the worst about people. Why assume that the woman with the covered head is doing this only because she wants to feel like she’s more reverent than everyone else? Honestly, it is hurtful to read this kind of thing here on Catholic Answers of all places. It is a simple personal devotion. Why impugn the motives of women who make the choice to do this?
Yoo-hoo? Are you awake?

No one is saying a women covers her hair so she can feel more reverent than other people (although you just said it, I guess). People are saying that a woman might cover her hair because SHE feels more reverent than SHE feels without covering her hair.

Get the distinction?
 
Whoa! You completely misunderstood me. *I meant *if it makes a woman feel more reverent and humbled then she should just go for it and not worry whether someone else is or not.

I am editing this because I just reread the post I was responding to when I made the statement that upset you. It was a little confusing when I responded so I can see where you thought I meant something else. 😊
It’s OK - thank you so much for the clarification. I understand what you mean now. Things can really get nasty here on the trad forum so I suppose I can be jumpier than I normally am.

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