Sick Migrants Undergoing Lifesaving Care Can Now Be Deported

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Victoria33 said:
The laws are there, ICE has spoken above, she may get consideration and that is how our system works.
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She already had the appropriate legal consideration until the Administration (not Congress) stepped in to change the rules.

This has zero to do with ISIS or with abortion. Why can’t all of them be wrong?
 
JulianN said:
She already had the appropriate legal consideration until the Administration (not Congress) stepped in to change the rules.
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Laws change. If it were not the law, they could not do it. Period.

Yes, the other items are applicable because people were discussing them. It is sinful to hate and full-time haters have used everything from tomato tariffs to other things to savage this president.

I have seen nothing to confirm there is no abuse of this program, it was a program that gave special consideration to certain individuals.

I will take ICE’s word mentioning congress. ICE should know something.
 
Victoria33 said:
It is sinful to hate and full-time haters have used everything from tomato tariffs to other things to savage this president.
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It is sinful to hate people, but not evil behavior. You are making the leap that people who are standing up for the poor and sick, or who speak out about blatant lies from the Administration, or who criticize the leaking of classified images via Twitter are ‘haters.’
 
There are people who brought up pro-life early in the thread, not me. I will see how earnest one is, if they direct the same message to them that you are telling me.

So, please do not try to pigeonhole me.

And yes, we only have one side of the story so far
 
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Theo520 said:
I support immediate life saving care, but I don’t support providing perpetual care for everyone who shows up illegally.
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This program allowed people to come here legally. It’s got nothing to do with “providing perpetual care for everyone who shows up illegally.”
 
Of course.

14 years ago we were outraged that Terri Schiavo would be disconnected from her feeding tube.

Shouldn’t we be outraged that Isabel will die?

I don’t understand the difference.
 
billsherman said:
This sounds an awful like “Get your own loaves and fishes!” Would Jesus deport her? If your answer is no, then maybe, perhaps, possibly, we shouldn’t either. If your answer is yes, I’d love to know why you think so.
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You are hearing only what you want to hear.

We are morally obligated to help sick people on our doorstep through their crisis, and we do this. We provide free medical care to all illegal immigrants, whether they are in detention or just show up at the hospital to give birth to their anchor baby. As the article indicated, we also provide cancer treatment for free in a number of cases.

However, we are not morally obligated to let anyone move in for perpetual care/residency because they feel we have higher quality medical care than they have back home.
 
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The future is murky, but the Catholic in me believes in miracles. ICE still has the ability to grant extensions of stay, even if its sister branch of government, Citizenship and Customs Enforcement, has slammed that door shut.

I try to avoid that overblown rhetoric of the American Dream, the poetry of the idealist. Having worked in the immigration field for 25 years, I’m pragmatic about its limitations and potential. We need to fix a lot of the things that don’t work, we need to focus on border security, we need to make it easier for people to join families and, if they qualify, provide needed services for our employers. We need to think with our heads and stop using the immigration crisis – and it is a crisis – to raise money for our political campaigns or get some face time on the cable networks.
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ICE can extend any stays.
 
Theo520 said:
However, we are not morally obligated to let anyone move in for perpetual care/residency because they feel we have higher quality medical care than they have back home.
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Would Jesus deport her?
 
Our government per the articles, invited her here 20 years ago for her treatment.

This is where this would be different to say, someone who came over dying of a debilitating disease. We opted to give her the treatment against this rare disease. (By the way, if someone came across with a debilitating disease, they certainly deserve humane and reasonable treatment)

I firmly believe we should allow her to stay, We, the government, are NOT paying for her treatment.

That said, I don’t think just being here as a class of people should mean, once you are in, you are in. The government has a right to know these things and see if there are misuses of the system as well.
 
billsherman said:
This sounds an awful like “Get your own loaves and fishes!” Would Jesus deport her? If your answer is no, then maybe, perhaps, possibly, we shouldn’t either. If your answer is yes, I’d love to know why you think so.
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Did Jesus force the owners of the fish and loaves to give them up?
 
Victoria33 said:
I firmly believe we should allow her to stay, We, the government, are NOT paying for her treatment.
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This is an orchestrated media blitz to drive a wedge on immigration enforcement. As you or others have noted, extensions are available and frequently given.

This or another article noted that many others are utilizing medicad to cover their bills.

After skimming the OP article again, I clearly see fault in how ICE communicated options for deferment. It sounded like their notice did not indicate the process they should follow for deferment. Since this is hardly her first deferment, I’d be curious to know how the previous ones were communicated and processed. Is it really any different than the past or is it just convenient now to publicly complain about the normal process.
 
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Theo520:
I support immediate life saving care, but I don’t support providing perpetual care for everyone who shows up illegally.
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This program allowed people to come here legally.
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Exactly. It appears this was at invitation.
We tried the same with Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard, and even though the British bureaucracy stood in the way, it was the right thing to offer.
Here is another story of success in helping foreign nationals who are visitors by invitation ( not immigrants and certainly not foreign nationals here illegally).


The issue of foreign nationals here illegally should not be conflated with immigration or this kind of medical care.
 
JonNC said:
I think Americans should be free to do this.
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But we aren’t free to allow this. The Trump Administration has started the process to deport her. I appreciate that you oppose the Administration’s policy here.
Theo520 said:
As you or others have noted, extensions are available and frequently given.
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They are available, but no, they are not frequently given. In fact, I’m not aware of one ever being given by ICE in situations like this. Remember, under the Trump Administration ICE has adopted a “zero tolerance” policy. That means no exceptions. Ever.
 
I have a friend who lost his leg at war. He has been getting a prosthetic for years from the military. After a few years, he was forced to go through lawyers to prove he was actually missing his leg.

Is that the administration fault? Do we blame the president?
 
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billsherman said:
They are available, but no, they are not frequently given. In fact, I’m not aware of one ever being given by ICE in situations like this. Remember, under the Trump Administration ICE has adopted a “zero tolerance” policy. That means no exceptions. Ever.
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In all the examples provided, they have been here many years so clearly have received prior deferments. Call it shoddy reporting to gloss over this history rather than contrast it.
 
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